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pinasamb 03-25-2013 08:36 PM

Criticism of oneness doctrine-
 
Does anyone recognize this list of Trinity criticisms of Oneness? As I remembered it came from the Oneness of God by Bernard, but I cannot find it in his book. Perhaps it was written by him in another of his books but I've given all those away. Can anyone help me with the source?


Oneness is heresy
Oneness is a cult
Modalism has an evolutionary God who changes.
Modalism teaches they have an exclusive truth apart from systematic theology, creeds, confessions, and reverent commentaries
They deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in history
Oneness comes from "pagan roots."
The Modalistic God is, "incoherent."
Jesus Christ is a vague power rather than the incarnation of a divine person.
Truth is replaced with relativism concerning God.
God is a Trinity in one era, Mohammed in another, etc.

Praxeas 03-25-2013 08:49 PM

Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
 
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Originally Posted by pinasamb (Post 1237754)
Does anyone recognize this list of Trinity criticisms of Oneness? As I remembered it came from the Oneness of God by Bernard, but I cannot find it in his book. Perhaps it was written by him in another of his books but I've given all those away. Can anyone help me with the source?


Oneness is heresy
Oneness is a cult
Modalism has an evolutionary God who changes.
Modalism teaches they have an exclusive truth apart from systematic theology, creeds, confessions, and reverent commentaries
They deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in history
Oneness comes from "pagan roots."
The Modalistic God is, "incoherent."
Jesus Christ is a vague power rather than the incarnation of a divine person.
Truth is replaced with relativism concerning God.
God is a Trinity in one era, Mohammed in another, etc.

No but those don't make sense as "arguments"...
Modalism does not have an evolutionary God who changes...and Oneness is not really modalism

Modalism does not teach "we have an exclusive truth apart from Systematic Theology"...that it's not inline with confessions or creeds don't prove it's not biblical

What does "authority of the Holy Spirit in history" mean?

"pagan roots" is a rather subjective argument as is the "incoherent" argument since everyone claims the other persons theology is incoherent

Oneness teaches Jesus is God incarnate...so that's a false argument

Truth is not replaced with relativism concerning God. We believe the bible is an absolute truth and authority on who and what God is.

Trinity and Mohammed?

pinasamb 03-25-2013 08:55 PM

Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1237756)
No but those don't make sense as "arguments"...
Modalism does not have an evolutionary God who changes...and Oneness is not really modalism

Modalism does not teach "we have an exclusive truth apart from Systematic Theology"...that it's not inline with confessions or creeds don't prove it's not biblical

What does "authority of the Holy Spirit in history" mean?

"pagan roots" is a rather subjective argument as is the "incoherent" argument since everyone claims the other persons theology is incoherent

Oneness teaches Jesus is God incarnate...so that's a false argument

Truth is not replaced with relativism concerning God. We believe the bible is an absolute truth and authority on who and what God is.

Trinity and Mohammed?

LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Trinity people made of Oneness doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Trinity folks do not know what we believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Oneness folks cannot articulate Oneness doctrine either. Its no wonder Trinity people are confused about us!

Farfel 03-25-2013 09:05 PM

Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pinasamb (Post 1237754)
Does anyone recognize this list of Trinity criticisms of Oneness? As I remembered it came from the Oneness of God by Bernard, but I cannot find it in his book. Perhaps it was written by him in another of his books but I've given all those away. Can anyone help me with the source?


Oneness is heresy
Oneness is a cult
Modalism has an evolutionary God who changes.
Modalism teaches they have an exclusive truth apart from systematic theology, creeds, confessions, and reverent commentaries
They deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in history
Oneness comes from "pagan roots."
The Modalistic God is, "incoherent."
Jesus Christ is a vague power rather than the incarnation of a divine person.
Truth is replaced with relativism concerning God.
God is a Trinity in one era, Mohammed in another, etc.

Bolded are what Oneness people say about Trinitarians as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinasamb (Post 1237757)
LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Trinity people made of Oneness doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Trinity folks do not know what we believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Oneness folks cannot articulate Oneness doctrine either. Its no wonder Trinity people are confused about us!

The above quote can also be said this way and be just as true -

"LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Oneness people made of Trinitarian doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Oneness folks do not know what ** believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Trinity folks cannot articulate Trinitarian doctrine either. Its no wonder Oneness people are confused about **!"

navygoat1998 03-25-2013 09:06 PM

Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
 
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Originally Posted by Farfel (Post 1237758)
Bolded are what Oneness people say about Trinitarians as well.



The above quote can also be said this way and be just as true -

"LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Oneness people made of Trinitarian doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Oneness folks do not know what ** believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Trinity folks cannot articulate Trinitarian doctrine either. Its no wonder Oneness people are confused about **!"

:thumbsup

Michael The Disciple 03-26-2013 06:23 AM

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Beside the fact that God exists and is Creator there is no truth as glorious and magnificent than Oneness. I will define it that the Christ (Yeshua) is both the Everlasting Father and the Begotten Son.

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given : and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor , The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

navygoat1998 03-26-2013 11:22 AM

Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1237793)
Beside the fact that God exists and is Creator there is no truth as glorious and magnificent than Oneness. I will define it that the Christ (Yeshua) is both the Everlasting Father and the Begotten Son.

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given : and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor , The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

How cool is this MTD? He raised Himself from the dead.

Cindy 03-26-2013 11:37 AM

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This division of brothers and sisters about the Godhead makes me sad.

Farfel 03-26-2013 11:41 AM

Re: Criticism of oneness doctrine-
 
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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1237872)
This division of brothers and sisters about the Godhead makes me sad.

Me too.

navygoat1998 03-26-2013 11:48 AM

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I am over the whole bickering about the Godhead. Like many here I have had fellowship with both groups and I think that we all say the same thing in a different way and we worship the same God. Trinitarian,Oneness or Twoness who cares?????


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