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Nahum 06-04-2007 09:01 AM

"For This Cause" A Discussion About Angelic Hair
 
1 Corinthians 11

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

What does the "for this cause" mean? What is it referring to?

Ronzo 06-04-2007 09:04 AM

MMMmmmm....

Angel Hair Pasta....

*drool*

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tamor 06-04-2007 09:05 AM

:groan

Here we go again..........

Digging4Truth 06-04-2007 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 140570)
1 Corinthians 11

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

What does the "for this cause" mean? What is it referring to?

I have always wondered about the "because of the angels" portion of this scripture...

But the "For this cause", IMO, is in reference to the previous scripture where it states "Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."

It would be treated as would other similar references such as nevertheless, therefore etc which would refer BACK rather than forward.

Nahum 06-04-2007 09:10 AM

Three questions

1. Does "for this cause" refer to the fallen angels?

2. Does a woman's cut hair identify her as rebellious to her husband and God?

3. Does the woman join league with the enemy against her husband when she cuts it? After all, the serpent's goal was to steal earthly dominion from the man.

Coonskinner 06-04-2007 09:11 AM

This is obviously a widely debated topic, and commentators have varying opinions about it.

Three key words in this passage are angels, covering, and glory.

The first place in the Scripture where we find those three elements in conjunction is the Ark of the Covenant.

Every time the covering (mercy seat) was removed, the angels that stood at either end were displaced, and the Glory that dwelt between them was also displaced...and bad things happened.

I do not believe for a minute that there are any special "hair angels" like the mockers like to assert that Apostolics believe.

I do, however, believe it is reasonable to say that there is a special blessing and perhaps angelic protection afforded to those who walk in obedience to the Scripture. And I believe the Scripture teached for ladies to have uncut hair.

Since the chapter in question is dealing with order of creation, and submission, it is possible that the Apostle was making reference to the example of angels who fell when they would not remain in submission to their nead.

Coonskinner 06-04-2007 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 140581)
Three questions

1. Does "for this cause" refer to the fallen angels?

2. Does a woman's cut hair identify her as rebellious to her husband and God?

3. Does the woman join league with the enemy against her husband when she cuts it? After all, the serpent's goal was to steal earthly dominion from the man.

I don't believe this is the intent of most women who cut their hair.

A woman who has been taught against cutting her hair generally does it out of rebellion.

But most women just do it for style or convenience otherwise.

I have noticed that when an Apostolic woman backslides, one of the first things she usually does is cut her hair.

Nahum 06-04-2007 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 140584)
This is obviously a widely debated topic, and commentators have varying opinions about it.

Three key words in this passage are angels, covering, and glory.

The first place in the Scripture where we find those three elements in conjunction is the Ark of the Covenant.

Every time the covering (mercy seat) was removed, the angels that stood at either end were displaced, and the Glory that dwelt between them was also displaced...and bad things happened.

I do not believe for a minute that there are any special "hair angels" like the mockers like to assert that Apostolics believe.

I do, however, believe it is reasonable to say that there is a special blessing and perhaps angelic protection afforded to those who walk in obedience to the Scripture. And I believe the Scripture teached for ladies to have uncut hair.

Since the chapter in question is dealing with order of creation, and submission, it is possible that the Apostle was making reference to the example of angels who fell when they would not remain in submission to their nead.

Adam Clarke's commentary says this is one of the modt debated and misunderstood passages in the Word. He would only give opinions on it. LOL

Great Post, Friend. I never considered the ark of the covenant.

hmmmm

ILG 06-04-2007 09:15 AM

Quote:

I do not believe for a minute that there are any special "hair angels" like the mockers like to assert that Apostolics believe.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out error in what is being taught, even if someone believes in the "hair doctrine". Many who believe in the hair doctrine do not believe in special protection which IS being taught.

Ravens 06-04-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 140590)
I don't believe this is the intent of most women who cut their hair.

A woman who has been taught against cutting her hair generally does it out of rebellion.

But most women just do it for style or convenience otherwise.

I have noticed that when an Apostolic woman backslides, one of the first things she usually does is cut her hair.

I have noticed this also. . .


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