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Farfel 10-22-2013 09:36 AM

Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
Here is an article from the April 20, 1918 edition of the AG's "The Weekly Evangel" written by Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue."


CONFESSION OF FAITH
"So then faith comes by hearing, and
hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17.
It has been reported lately from this
city something that may create a wrong
impression that I am supporting the
advocators of the "new issue" so-called
in our great blessed revival meetings in
this city. This is absolutely not so, but
rather contrary. I personally believe
and stand on the blessed written word
of God concerning the great mystery of
godliness, not on the conclusions of men,
nor in their words of strife concerning
God-head teaching, therefore I prayerfully
and humbly confess that I believe
in one God, the Father, the Son and the
Holy Ghost. Matthew 28:19.
I believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of
the Father, who is the true God and the
eternal life. 1 John 5:20. 2 John 5.
I believe that there are three that bear
record in heaven the Father, the Word.
(Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost and
these three are one. 1 John 5:7.
I believe in the Spirit by which we
are all baptized into one body, whether
we be Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or
free and have been all made to drink
in one Spirit; yea one Lord, one faith,
one baptism, one God and Father of all,
who is above all, and in you all. 1 Cor. 12:13,
and Eph. 4:5-6.
I believe this adorable Three-One God
can be only approached and seen in and
through the person or face of Jesus
Christ. the son. 1 Timothy 6:16. Matthew 11:27.
John 1:18. John 14:7-11.
"For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of
the God-head bodily." Col. 2:9.
I believe in one most glorious eternal
incomprehensible and mysterious Being
of God; and that Jesus Christ the Son,
is the only true and full express image
of His glorious and bright Being. Heb. 1:3.
Col. 1:15-19.
I believe also and practice the emphatic
and definite commandment of
God through the lips of the great apostle
to the Gentiles who said, "and whatsoever
ye do in word or deed, do all in the
name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks
to God and the Father by Him." Col. 3:17. .
Now, "The grace of the Lord Jesus
Christ and the Love of God, and the communion
of the Holy Ghost be with you
all. Amen." 2 Cor. 3:14.
Brethren, "We having the same spirit
of faith, according as it is written, I believe,
and therefore I have spoken; we
also believe and therefore speak! 2 Cor. 4:13.
Dear saints pray for us.
Your brother, sincerely, believes in the truth and the whole truth, as it is in Christ Jesus.
ANDREW D. URSHAN,
"The Old Time Gospel Revival Campaign,"
LOS Angeles, Cal., 1041 South Broadway

Steve Epley 10-22-2013 10:03 AM

Re: Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
This is unfair because it was in his early experience into the Oneness doctrine before he had formulated in his mind and teaching. Please remember it was the Trinitarians who ran them off in Hot Springs. They were expelled if they were to continue preaching the doctrine.

navygoat1998 10-22-2013 10:12 AM

Re: Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1282784)
This is unfair because it was in his early experience into the Oneness doctrine before he had formulated in his mind and teaching. Please remember it was the Trinitarians who ran them off in Hot Springs. They were expelled if they were to continue preaching the doctrine.

And we have been running each other off ever since. What a shame.

Ferd 10-22-2013 11:13 AM

Re: Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1282784)
This is unfair because it was in his early experience into the Oneness doctrine before he had formulated in his mind and teaching. Please remember it was the Trinitarians who ran them off in Hot Springs. They were expelled if they were to continue preaching the doctrine.

It should also be pointed out that NAU was speaking in 1918 as the debate raged about this "new issue" and was leading to the 1919 split where the Oneness people were shown the exit. NAU was seeking to heal the split before it was a split.


Context is key to understanding what he was saying. In the end, He didnt decide to remian with the Trinitarians.

CC1 10-22-2013 11:42 AM

Re: Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
I agree with both Elder Epley and Ferd that this document is not surprising given the date. I think it is clear Andrew Urshan's doctrine evolved from this point.

However it is true it did not evolve to what the UPC church believes today completely.

If you really want to stir things up post some writings by early Oneness pioneers about their belief that trinitarians are still their brothers in Christ vs today!

Farfel 10-22-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1282801)
I agree with both Elder Epley and Ferd that this document is not surprising given the date. I think it is clear Andrew Urshan's doctrine evolved from this point. However it is true it did not evolve to what the UPC church believes today completely. If you really want to stir things up post some writings by early Oneness pioneers about their belief that trinitarians are still their brothers in Christ vs today!

I wasn't trying to stir things up, I just found it interesting that AU would have written against those that he would later join.

navygoat1998 10-22-2013 12:00 PM

Re: Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1282801)
I agree with both Elder Epley and Ferd that this document is not surprising given the date. I think it is clear Andrew Urshan's doctrine evolved from this point.

However it is true it did not evolve to what the UPC church believes today completely.

If you really want to stir things up post some writings by early Oneness pioneers about their belief that trinitarians are still their brothers in Christ vs today!

Truth of the matter is, that Howard Goss would not be accepted in today's UPC. The very organization that he helped to plant.

Farfel 10-22-2013 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1282807)
Truth of the matter is, that Howard Goss would not be accepted in today's UPC. The very organization that he helped to plant.

A lot of them wouldn't be accepted today.

navygoat1998 10-22-2013 12:12 PM

Re: Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
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Originally Posted by Farfel (Post 1282811)
A lot of them wouldn't be accepted today.

True.

navygoat1998 10-22-2013 12:52 PM

Re: Andrew Urshan denouncing the "new issue"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1282792)
It should also be pointed out that NAU was speaking in 1918 as the debate raged about this "new issue" and was leading to the 1919 split where the Oneness people were shown the exit. NAU was seeking to heal the split before it was a split.


Context is key to understanding what he was saying. In the end, He didnt decide to remian with the Trinitarians.

Your early Fathers were not treated with much respect by your own brand.


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