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Esaias 10-24-2013 12:50 PM
Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
Is water baptism part of the new birth or 'born again' experience?

Jermyn Davidson 10-24-2013 01:00 PM
Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
So interesting that I start my latest thread and this poll is up!

Michael The Disciple 10-24-2013 01:24 PM
Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
Yes its part of the new birth. We are not "fully" saved until we are baptized.

renee819 10-24-2013 01:49 PM
Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1283430)
Yes its part of the new birth. We are not "fully" saved until we are baptized.
AMEN!!!!

RandyWayne 10-24-2013 02:08 PM
Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
Can't answer the poll because while it IS a commandment to do so, if one were to repent and during their walk to the baptismal pool something happened to interrupt the process -say, a heart attack, they would still be saved. The thief on the cross next to Jesus was clearly NOT baptized, but had he not been crucified (released somehow with the help of a caring Roman soldier) would have no doubt done it. We are also commanded to fellowship with other saints, but if you "get saved" and die before your first church service or ANY meeting with like minded saints, does that mean your not saved because you didn't do it?

Esaias 10-24-2013 02:55 PM
Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1283449)
Can't answer the poll because while it IS a commandment to do so, if one were to repent and during their walk to the baptismal pool something happened to interrupt the process -say, a heart attack, they would still be saved. The thief on the cross next to Jesus was clearly NOT baptized, but had he not been crucified (released somehow with the help of a caring Roman soldier) would have no doubt done it. We are also commanded to fellowship with other saints, but if you "get saved" and die before your first church service or ANY meeting with like minded saints, does that mean your not saved because you didn't do it?
How is it you cannot answer the poll? Seems like your answer would be 'no'. The question is not 'is baptism commanded' but 'is baptism part of the new birth'.

Michael The Disciple 10-24-2013 03:06 PM
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Yes it is a commandment to do so. But for what PURPOSE?

5 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

To be saved!

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39

For remission of sins!

Abiding Now 10-24-2013 03:38 PM
Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1283449)
Can't answer the poll because while it IS a commandment to do so, if one were to repent and during their walk to the baptismal pool something happened to interrupt the process -say, a heart attack, they would still be saved. The thief on the cross next to Jesus was clearly NOT baptized, but had he not been crucified (released somehow with the help of a caring Roman soldier) would have no doubt done it. We are also commanded to fellowship with other saints, but if you "get saved" and die before your first church service or ANY meeting with like minded saints, does that mean your not saved because you didn't do it?
In all my life I've never even heard of a person dying on the way to be baptized. :D The guy on the cross was before the new testament church was established and was under the Old Covenant, because the testator of the New Covenant had not died.

berkeley 10-24-2013 03:51 PM
...and would Peter and Paul disagree?

RandyWayne 10-24-2013 03:56 PM
Re: Is baptism part of the new birth?
 
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Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1283498)
In all my life I've never even heard of a person dying on the way to be baptized. :D The guy on the cross was before the new testament church was established and was under the Old Covenant, because the testator of the New Covenant had not died.
My response to THAT is always, so it was EASIER to be saved in the OT than the new?


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