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Jermyn Davidson 11-07-2013 07:13 AM

Is this suicide? Is suicide sin? Is this sin?
 
This Indiana hunter's life is tragically cut short, but under a very unique set of circumstances. What do you guys think about this situation?

http://news.yahoo.com/injured-indian...181336165.html

n david 11-07-2013 07:51 AM

Re: Is this suicide? Is suicide sin? Is this sin
 
Such a sad and tragic story.

I don't believe this was suicide or sin. His body was on life support. He was unable to live without the assistance of machines. IMO, this is no different than a person with terminal cancer choosing not to receive any medical treatment.

Jermyn Davidson 11-07-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1285805)
Such a sad and tragic story.

I don't believe this was suicide or sin. His body was on life support. He was unable to live without the assistance of machines. IMO, this is no different than a person with terminal cancer choosing not to receive any medical treatment.

You know brother, I thought it was a very sad story too. But isn't it interesting? The situation, the family and doctor's decisions-- I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't read the article.

Still, I don't see MUCH of a difference between this and the services Dr. Kevorkian provided his patients.

For me, the emphasis is on MUCH.

There is one technicality involved-- but is right and wrong determined on technicalities?

I just think the details to this story is very fascinating, when you think about it.

n david 11-07-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1285815)
You know brother, I thought it was a very sad story too. But isn't it interesting? The situation, the doctor's decisions-- I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't read the article.

Still, I don't see MUCH of a difference between this and the services Dr. Kevorkian provided his patients.

For me, the emphasis is on MUCH.

There is one technicality involved-- but is right and wrong determined on technicalities?

I see the difference as this: no one ended this man's life. Unlike where Dr. Kevorkian gives drugs which cause the death to occur, this man simply had a ventilator removed.

This man died naturally.

There was no human intervention or drugs given to expedite an early death. That's the difference, which, IMO, is a big issue.

Jermyn Davidson 11-07-2013 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1285817)
I see the difference as this: no one ended this man's life. Unlike where Dr. Kevorkian gives drugs which cause the death to occur, this man simply had a ventilator removed.

This man died naturally.

There was no human intervention or drugs given to expedite an early death. That's the difference, which, IMO, is a big issue.

Not so big of a difference in that the decisions for death are being made by the dying. Definite decisions and actions on the part of the dying that leads to death in both situations.

Jermyn Davidson 11-07-2013 09:13 AM

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I am thinking that my opinion that Dr. K. should never have been prosecuted would be the minority around these parts.

Aquila 11-07-2013 09:23 AM

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Medical science isn't sacred. Frankly, I think people are living longer than intended as a result of respirators, treatments, and some forms of medication. In a sense, this is playing God... not allowing one to die naturally. Of course, the choice to undergo such procedures and or treatments should be entirely up to the individual.

Truthseeker 11-07-2013 09:36 AM

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Refusing medical treatment is not the same as taking drug to kill yourself.

n david 11-07-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1285820)
Not so big of a difference in that the decisions for death are being made by the dying. Definite decisions and actions on the part of the dying that leads to death in both situations.

I disagree, because the people dying weren't allowed to die naturally. They were given medication which killed them. This man died a natural death. He wasn't given any medication, nor did any Dr do anything to cause his life to end prematurely.

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1285823)
I am thinking that my opinion that Dr. K. should never have been prosecuted would be the minority around these parts.

I would agree that opinion is likely in the minority. A Dr should never knowingly give medication to kill someone, even if the person wants to die.

The Hippocratic Oath they take forbids it:

Quote:

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
We see how legalized abortion has created the pathway for legalized euthanasia; and soon may even allow for infanticide.

Abiding Now 11-07-2013 05:49 PM

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50 years ago there wouldn't have even been a question, the man would have probably died within a few hours. But doctors and medicine have "advanced" to where they can now "save a person's life". A quality of life so despicable that no one in their right mind would choose it.


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