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Aquila 10-24-2014 06:52 AM

Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
It is written...
Revelation 13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
The nature of the false prophet. He presents himself as a lamb, a man of peace... but he speaks like a dragon. His words are a destructive web of lies.
The Qur'an:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).



Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.



Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."



Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."



Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.



From Islamic Law:



Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...



"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

(Source: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)

FlamingZword 10-25-2014 09:37 AM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1340374)
It is written...
Revelation 13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
The nature of the false prophet. He presents himself as a lamb, a man of peace... but he speaks like a dragon. His words are a destructive web of lies.
The Qur'an:

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).



Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.



Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."



Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."



Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.



From Islamic Law:



Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...



"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

(Source: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)

Sound like the catholic doctrine of the merciful lie.
that one can lie as long as something good comes from that lie.
that is why you can not trust anything that Catholics say, for they are permitted to lie.

Walks_in_islam 10-25-2014 10:23 AM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
You say it is a religion of lies.

Point them out.

After you are done, we will start discussing "lies of the UPC". This should be fun.

Pliny 10-25-2014 11:10 AM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
Lets not forget the "Al-Khansa brigade" and how "peaceful" this evil is.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/10...tcmp=obnetwork

Timmy 10-25-2014 11:54 AM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
How can you tell, in general, if a religion is lying?

ILG 10-25-2014 12:10 PM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
If a person is towards God, they can practice any religion as peaceful and true. If a person is turned away from God the same is true.

Acts 10:34,35

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

DaveC519 10-25-2014 01:57 PM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1340623)
If a person is towards God, they can practice any religion as peaceful and true. If a person is turned away from God the same is true.

Acts 10:34,35

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Certainly, as long as they accept that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and they become born again of water and the Spirit just like Cornelius and his household did in this same passage! ;)

BrotherEastman 10-25-2014 03:52 PM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1340616)
You say it is a religion of lies.

Point them out.

After you are done, we will start discussing "lies of the UPC". This should be fun.

LOL Aquila IS NOT UPC. :laffatu BTW tit for tat will not get you out of the fact that Islam is a religion of lies.

Pressing-On 10-25-2014 04:29 PM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveC519 (Post 1340629)
Certainly, as long as they accept that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, and they become born again of water and the Spirit just like Cornelius and his household did in this same passage! ;)

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness — This being the well-known phraseology of the Old Testament in describing the truly godly man, within the pale of revealed religion, it cannot be alleged that Peter meant it to denote a merely virtuous character, in the heathen sense; and as Peter had learned enough, from the messengers of Cornelius and from his own lips, to convince him that the whole religious character of this Roman officer had been molded in the Jewish faith, there can be no doubt that the apostle intended to describe exactly such saintship - in its internal spirituality and external fruitfulness - as God had already pronounced to be genuine and approved. And since to such “He giveth more grace,” according to the law of His Kingdom (Jam_4:6; Mat_25:29), He sends Peter, not to be the instrument of his conversion, as this is very frequently called, but simply to “show him the way of God more perfectly,” as before to the devout Ethiopian eunuch. - JFB

Praxeas 10-25-2014 04:50 PM

Re: Islam: A Religion of Lies...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1340616)
You say it is a religion of lies.

Point them out.

After you are done, we will start discussing "lies of the UPC". This should be fun.

Aquila is not UPC that I am aware of, so you'd be beating at the wind


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