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revrandy 02-20-2007 01:22 PM

Do Ultra Conservatives Do more to Keep Folks out of Heaven then to Let Them In???
 
:D:D:D

Now that will getcher' attention...

Praxeas 02-20-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 12421)
:D:D:D

Now that will getcher' attention...

That depends on your definition of Ultra Conservative. Ultra Conservative is either an attitude (bad) or a fundamental doctrinal position. Some people go for extremes too. And others are turned off

IAintMovin 02-20-2007 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 12421)
:D:D:D

Now that will getcher' attention...

Ewwwww.... wow .... good....now my follow-up - do ultra libs let everybody in and send nobody to hell.......


neither one makes sense to me Rev... :D :D :D

revrandy 02-20-2007 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 12428)
Ewwwww.... wow .... good....now my follow-up - do ultra libs let everybody in and send nobody to hell.......


neither one makes sense to me Rev... :D :D :D

Honestly...

I would prefer everybody make it to heaven.. and nobody go to Hell...

as to letting them in.. tha's up to the Lord... We got a plan and a goodun' if youin's are askin' me..

revrandy 02-20-2007 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 12426)
That depends on your definition of Ultra Conservative. Ultra Conservative is either an attitude (bad) or a fundamental doctrinal position. Some people go for extremes too. And others are turned off

well.. Circumspectfully speaking.. (around the bush to you country folk) it could be either or...depending on how one defines doctrine or attitude...

Sister Truth Seeker 02-20-2007 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 12421)
:D:D:D

Now that will getcher' attention...

At our retreat this weekend past...Brother Seagraves said the way we win souls is to answer a hurting persons needs and hurts...by showing them love. If they see love in us they see the love of Jesus, that may lead them to church we if can help them see their hunger...thumping a bible and being hard minded and not showing our heart will not draw anyone towards God...that does not mean you have to share their sin, but see the hurts that are keeping them in the pain and sin of living lost...

Margies3 02-20-2007 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Truth Seeker (Post 12437)
At our retreat this weekend past...Brother Seagraves said the way we win souls is to answer a hurting persons needs and hurts...by showing them love. If they see love in us they see the love of Jesus, that may lead them to church we if can help them see their hunger...thumping a bible and being hard minded and not showing our heart will not draw anyone towards God...that does not mean you have to share their sin, but see the hurts that are keeping them in the pain and sin of living lost...

EXCELLENT!!!! I've heard it said many times, "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Lots of truth in that, too.

revrandy 02-20-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Truth Seeker (Post 12437)
At our retreat this weekend past...Brother Seagraves said the way we win souls is to answer a hurting persons needs and hurts...by showing them love. If they see love in us they see the love of Jesus, that may lead them to church we if can help them see their hunger...thumping a bible and being hard minded and not showing our heart will not draw anyone towards God...that does not mean you have to share their sin, but see the hurts that are keeping them in the pain and sin of living lost...

While true... many came to Johnathon Edwards Services and he preached messages like "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" here is an exert

The wrath of God burns against them, their damnation does not slumber; the pit is prepared, the fire is made ready, the furnace is now hot, ready to receive them; the flames do now rage and glow...
It is no security to wicked men for one moment, that there are no visible means of death at hand. It is no security to a natural man, that he is now in health, and that he does not see which way he should now immediately go out of the world by any accident, and that there is no visible danger in any respect in his circumstances. The manifold and continual experience of the world in all ages, shows this is no evidence, that a man is not on the very brink of eternity, and that the next step will not be into another world. The unseen, unthought-of ways and means of persons going suddenly out of the world are innumerable and inconceivable. Unconverted men walk over the pit of hell on a rotten covering, and there are innumerable places in this covering so weak that they will not bear their weight, and these places are not seen. The arrows of death fly unseen at noon-day; the sharpest sight cannot discern them. God has so many different unsearchable ways of taking wicked men out of the world and sending them to hell, that there is nothing to make it appear, that God had need to be at the expense of a miracle, or go out of the ordinary course of his providence, to destroy any wicked man, at any moment. All the means that there are of sinners going out of the world, are so in God's hands, and so universally and absolutely subject to his power and determination, that it does not depend at all the less on the mere will of God, whether sinners shall at any moment go to hell, than if means were never made use of, or at all concerned in the case...
God has laid himself under no obligation, by any promise to keep any natural man out of hell one moment. God certainly has made no promises either of eternal life, or of any deliverance or preservation from eternal death, but what are contained in the covenant of grace, the promises that are given in Christ, in whom all the promises are yea and Amen. But surely they have no interest in the promises of the covenant of grace who are not the children of the covenant, who do not believe in any of the promises, and have no interest in the Mediator of the covenant...

They say that After its initial presentation, the audience was so moved that many attendees were found openly weeping. There were also a number of reports of swooning, outcries, and convulsions from audience members. It was also reported that, unlike the stereotype of fire and brimstone preaching, Edwards read the sermon in a monotone voice with his eyes fixated on the church bellrope, and actually asked the audience to quiet down so he might finish his sermon

:hmmm...makes one think..

Sister Truth Seeker 02-20-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 12442)
EXCELLENT!!!! I've heard it said many times, "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Lots of truth in that, too.

Yes....that is so good! If we don't love their soul how can we help them?

Chan 02-20-2007 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 12421)
:D:D:D

Now that will getcher' attention...

Let's see, the question was "Do ultraconservatives do more to keep folks out of Heaven then to let them in?" (The underlining is mine).

Well, let's look at the question more closely:

Do ultraconservatives first keep folks out of Heaven and then, at some later time (maybe after all the ultraconservatives get there first) let the other folks in?

Do ultraconservatives do more to keep folks out of Heaven than they do to let folks in?

The former suggests the ultraconservatives will have taken over Heaven and made themselves sovereign over God.

The latter suggests the kind of situation Jesus referred to in Matthew 23:15-16...

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!"


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