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Born of Water

Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.


The Acts 2:38 message was first preached by Moses, at the base of the mount. It is confirmed throughout the Acts accounts, and is our very core doctrine. Water baptism…by complete immersion…in the name of Jesus Christ, is clearly a foundation stone of the new covenant. But to teach this water baptism from our text verse in John, is wrong.

Many ministers misquote this passage to read, “except a man be born again of water and of the spirit…” Not of any ill intent…but in zealous support of our position on water baptism. Our sanctioned bible study “In My Father’s House”…in Room One, paragraph three, finds the honorable Elder Yonts saying: “When we are baptized in Jesus’ name, we are born of the water.” Even the marginal notes of a Thompson Chain Reference Bible…here in John…states: 756-Baptism enjoined (1) Acts 2:38.

But the discourse between Jesus and Nicodemus, has nothing to do with water baptism. The whole crux of their discussion is new birth. Not death (repentance)…not burial (water baptism)…but new birth. Moreover, great plainness of speech is used, to show that this new birth is entirely spiritual in nature. It is an anointing seal…given only by our Lord…to each one personally.

What is ironic, is that in every reference to water baptism, we ourselves concur that the rite represents a burial, or a grave. Only here in John, do we reverse our hermeneutic, and make water baptism part of a birth experience. There are ample scriptures in the bible to support baptism in Jesus’ name. But in rightly divided scripture, this text in John is not among them.

Jesus’ first words on the matter state:

Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

And at the last, he closes the argument with these words:

The wind bloweth where it listeth and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth; so is everyone that is born of the Spirit.

No mention of water baptism, or water birth, in either the intro or the summary, of our Lord’s lesson. He teaches that the new birth…the born again moment…is a single, spiritual birth. Is it prefaced with a death and a burial? With repentance and water baptism? Yes, the scriptures bear this out. It is the usual order, and thus we so teach.

There simply is no tenable argument; against the process of salvation mirroring the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord. Moses prophesied this in the altar of death, the laver of washing, and the presence of God in the holiest place. But the new birth is the resurrection part of that process. The born of the spirit here taught, is the climax of that salvation experience. We need not drag the laver into the holy place.

Born of water is mentioned a single time in their discussion. A befuddled Nicodemus asks Jesus:

How can a man enter a second time into his mother’s womb?

Concerning that natural birth, Jesus teaches:

Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Jesus is here drawing a contrast between two births…not encouraging a new, two-part birth. The fleshly birth from a nine month amniotic sac, is not enough Nicodemus. You must be born again. It is the Lord himself making the argument here; that born of water, and born of the flesh, are synonymous terms. Paul echoes the same argument in Galatians; as does Peter, in his comparison between corruptible seed, and incorruptible seed.

The fact that you’re sitting here reading this, affirms you’re halfway there. You’ve made it through born of water. You out-rassled millions upon millions of other sperm cells, and qualified for life. But having so done, you now must be born again. Your water birth gave you this life. Your spiritual birth gives you life everlasting. You must be born again.

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I disagree. Water and Spirit are clearly seen to be emphasis of Jesus in John 3, and the emphasis in Acts is water baptism and Spirit baptism. I have believed for years that death burial and resurrection are in baptism.

Romans 6:3-4 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Colossians 2:11-12 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: (12) Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

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Don't know if you read this part of the post:

Born of water is mentioned a single time in their discussion. A befuddled Nicodemus asks Jesus:

How can a man enter a second time into his mother’s womb?

Concerning that natural birth, Jesus teaches:

Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Jesus is here drawing a contrast between two births…not encouraging a new, two-part birth. The fleshly birth from a nine month amniotic sac, is not enough Nicodemus. You must be born again. It is the Lord himself making the argument here; that born of water, and born of the flesh, are synonymous terms. Paul echoes the same argument in Galatians; as does Peter, in his comparison between corruptible seed, and incorruptible seed.

So no, water and spirit are NOT clearly seen to be the emphasis of Jesus in John 3. Spirit...and Spirit baptism are His emphasis.

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I heard that view before but it appears to me that Acts negates it. It's simple. Look in Acts to see where water and Spirit come into view.

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You're all over the board my brother. Hard to have a fruitful discussion with you, when you keep jumping around like that.

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I am sticking with my original premise and working from there. I haven't jumped from it to anywhere else as you claim.

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OK...guess we're done here. Thank you for your input.

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Water and Spirit are seen in several places, with water alluding to water baptism in each case.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

in Ephesians, Christ died so he could wash us and present us to Himself as perfect. That is baptism. It is by the word because it is only through faith in what we are doing according to His word that baptism moves God to destroy our old man and remove everything that was repulsive to Him about us. Sins are gone and we are presented to him without spot or wrinkle.

The Titus passage mentions washing of regeneration. Again, the Spirit is never delineated as the washing agent. It sounds lyrically nice to sing a hymn about it, but it is strictly not that biblical. The Holy Ghost renews. It's clearly references to Acts 2:38. Even non-Spirit-filled scholars attest to this issue of water baptism in John 3, such as Adam Clarke, Albert Barnes and John Gill.

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You gave your premise and I gave mine. Big deal.

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John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


What the "baptism and spirit filled required for the new birth believers" confess is that only "being born of the Spirit" makes one half-born again. Yet, Jesus spoke of those "born of the Spirit" as if they were fully born again. How can that be?