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KeptByTheWord 02-26-2016 08:44 AM
Demonic Spirits and the Believer
 
Can a demonic spirit inhabit the heart of one who is a believer? One who has been baptized in Jesus name, filled with the spirit, who has spoke in tongues, and has professed to be living for Jesus?

Scripture references appreciated.

II Cor. 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Does this scripture imply that Satan can impersonate himself into the heart of a believer?

shazeep 02-26-2016 05:04 PM
Re: Demonic Spirits and the Believer
 
off the cuff, Christ called even the Apostles "evil," so i think we have an unclear idea of how all this works. Is seeking your own interests evil? Maybe.

mfblume 02-26-2016 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1424031)
Can a demonic spirit inhabit the heart of one who is a believer? One who has been baptized in Jesus name, filled with the spirit, who has spoke in tongues, and has professed to be living for Jesus?

Scripture references appreciated.

II Cor. 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Does this scripture imply that Satan can impersonate himself into the heart of a believer?
I've cast them our of Acts 2:38 believers so no one can tell me it didn't happen. I say that because it always raises controversy amongst Apostolics. ;)

MarkBelosa 02-26-2016 05:29 PM
Re: Demonic Spirits and the Believer
 
Controversial indeed!

I have a copy of the book Killers in Hiding (sent to me by Sis Dana Klein as a birthday gift from way, way back). It talks about this topic. I lent it to a pastor's kid friend who showed it to his father and he couldn't believe it.

Bro Blume, you had one of those articles (can't remember where I found it) it's called Total Deliverance. I think you explained it really well there. I believe the key is to understand the difference between soul and spirit and also to have a proper understanding of being "filled" by the Spirit of God.

mfblume 02-26-2016 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkBelosa (Post 1424069)
Controversial indeed!

I have a copy of the book Killers in Hiding (sent to me by Sis Dana Klein as a birthday gift from way, way back). It talks about this topic. I lent it to a pastor's kid friend who showed it to his father and he couldn't believe it.

Bro Blume, you had one of those articles (can't remember where I found it) it's called Total Deliverance. I think you explained it really well there. I believe the key is to understand the difference between soul and spirit and also to have a proper understanding of being "filled" by the Spirit of God.
Exactly. people think we are like rooms and God and the devil won't exist in the same room. truth is we are spirit, soul and body. So God isn't in the same room with the devil.

Esaias 02-26-2016 08:03 PM
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I'd like to see SCRIPTURE that says a genuinely born again, Spirit-filled child of God can simultaneously 'have a demon', or be 'demon possessed'. I'd like to see where the Bible teaches a person may simultaneously 'have the Holy Ghost' and also 'have an unclean spirit'. I'd like to see Scripture that teaches - actually TEACHES - that one may be 'filled with the Spirit' and simultaneously 'filled with the devil' at the same time.

Esaias 02-26-2016 08:07 PM
Re: Demonic Spirits and the Believer
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1424031)

II Cor. 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Does this scripture imply that Satan can impersonate himself into the heart of a believer?
No. It says that there are a number of preachers going around pretending to be Christ's ministers but who are in fact ministers of satan. Their 'end shall be according to their works', which shows us they talk the talk but do not walk the walk. They present an appearance as being sent by Christ, when in fact they are agents of the adversary.

thephnxman 02-26-2016 08:13 PM
Re: Demonic Spirits and the Believer
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1424075)
No. It says that there are a number of preachers going around pretending to be Christ's ministers but who are in fact ministers of satan. Their 'end shall be according to their works', which shows us they talk the talk but do not walk the walk. They present an appearance as being sent by Christ, when in fact they are agents of the adversary.
AMEN.

thephnxman 02-26-2016 08:39 PM
Re: Demonic Spirits and the Believer
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1424070)
Exactly. people think we are like rooms and God and the devil won't exist in the same room. truth is we are spirit, soul and body. So God isn't in the same room with the devil.
So you are agreeing that God & devil cannot exist in the same room?
Or not? Which is it? Perhaps we could begin by defining "possession".

Esaias 02-26-2016 09:04 PM
Re: Demonic Spirits and the Believer
 
Just one verse or passage teaching that Christians - filled with the Holy Ghost - can also have a demon and or need a demon to be cast out of them. Just one example or positive statement in the New Testament scriptures will suffice for me.


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