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Pastor Keith 06-14-2007 03:54 PM

What would you do in my place?
 
I have reached out to the local UPC presbyter in my section, but because the local city Pastor believes that he should be the only UPC pastor in his town, he will not allow a competing church.

Our city has 70,000 people in it.

I agree with the fundamental doctrine of the UPCI, always have, always will.

But my attempts to be a part of the organization in which I was raised and have tremendous appreciation and respect for, have up to this point in my life been unfruitful.

However I have been asked by a large non-UPC group (many, if not all the ministers are ex-upc) to fellowship and eventually join their group.

Should I do this?

Or remain independent, hoping for a better day in the Western District?

What say ye?

Praxeas 06-14-2007 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 155485)
I have reached out to the local UPC presbyter in my section, but because the local city Pastor believes that he should be the only UPC pastor in his town, he will not allow a competing church.

Our city has 70,000 people in it.

I agree with the fundamental doctrine of the UPCI, always have, always will.

But my attempts to be a part of the organization in which I was raised and have tremendous appreciation and respect for, have up to this point in my life been unfruitful.

However I have been asked by a larger non-UPC group (many, if not all the ministers are ex-upc) to fellowship and eventually join their group.

Should I do this?

Or remain independent, hoping for a better day in the Western District?

What say ye?

If your views can co-exist with that of the other group, join them, other wise stay independent.

Malvaro 06-14-2007 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 155485)
However I have been asked by a larger non-UPC group (many, if not all the ministers are ex-upc) to fellowship and eventually join their group.

Should I do this?

Or remain independent, hoping for a better day in the Western District?

What say ye?

Does the independent group stand true to the doctrine, or are they wishy-washy in that regard???

WordPreacher 06-14-2007 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 155485)
I have reached out to the local UPC presbyter in my section, but because the local city Pastor believes that he should be the only UPC pastor in his town, he will not allow a competing church.

Our city has 70,000 people in it.

I agree with the fundamental doctrine of the UPCI, always have, always will.

But my attempts to be a part of the organization in which I was raised and have tremendous appreciation and respect for, have up to this point in my life been unfruitful.

However I have been asked by a larger non-UPC group (many, if not all the ministers are ex-upc) to fellowship and eventually join their group.

Should I do this?

Or remain independent, hoping for a better day in the Western District?

What say ye?

Have you prayed about it?

BTW, I have found that in the UPC, to be able to get a license with them, it is not what you know, but who you know. If you don't follow their politics, then it would be hard to be licensed with them.

I have found that I am not accepted by Apostolic organizations, so I am part of a trinitarian org that accepts me, even though I do not believe in their doctrine and there are some ex-UPCers in this org.

Pastor Keith 06-14-2007 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 155490)
Does the independent group stand true to the doctrine, or are they wishy-washy in that regard???

I believe that they are not hard and fast and hold a broad view of salvation, most characterized by a liberal PCI view of salvation.

revrandy 06-14-2007 04:00 PM

Call the Bishop...

Pastor Keith 06-14-2007 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WordPreacher (Post 155491)
Have you prayed about it?

BTW, I have found that in the UPC, to be able to get a license with them, it is not what you know, but who you know. If you don't follow their politics, then it would be hard to be licensed with them.

I have been praying about this over the last 7 years, my only desire is to a part of something larger than myself, make a contribution, and gain some of what is best about the UPCI.

Pastor Keith 06-14-2007 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 155489)
If your views can co-exist with that of the other group, join them, other wise stay independent.

I think they would tolerate me, one of my questions is to them will be I still feel Acts 2:38 to be normative response to the Gospel, is there room in your big tents for me, I want to be accepted not simply tolerated?

COOPER 06-14-2007 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 155485)
I have reached out to the local UPC presbyter in my section, but because the local city Pastor believes that he should be the only UPC pastor in his town, he will not allow a competing church.

Our city has 70,000 people in it.

I agree with the fundamental doctrine of the UPCI, always have, always will.

But my attempts to be a part of the organization in which I was raised and have tremendous appreciation and respect for, have up to this point in my life been unfruitful.

However I have been asked by a larger non-UPC group (many, if not all the ministers are ex-upc) to fellowship and eventually join their group.

Should I do this?

Or remain independent, hoping for a better day in the Western District?

What say ye?

is this group in Amarillo too?

Pastor Keith 06-14-2007 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 155496)
is this group in Amarillo too?

Not sure?


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