Are all Catholics lost?
 

post your reasoning if you like. i submit that all Catholics are not lost despite any interpretations of any verses that you may hold, and i think i have about 100 Scriptures that would support this.

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

Shazeep, reconcile these passages.

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

...when the bible says:

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

Rom 6:6 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

It makes a point.

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

please just enter your reasoning for why all Catholics are lost, if you would, ty. and you may as well vote, even up the score, love a good contest, what? :)

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

It's not as simple as that. That's a stacked deck. ;) So, please answer my question. Ty.

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

? please. you have the floor. you have asserted that all Catholics, along with hordes of other unwashed, are lost. state your case already. and please don't fill the page with proof, ty.

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

all catholics are not lost because those who do righteousness will be called righteous. there. like that.

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

Acts 2:38 is a list of things that are between GOD AND THE PERSON.

Repent: God must hear the person indicate to Him that one's ways are turning around, and seeking forgiveness FROM GOD. If it's not in the heart, the outward words mean NOTHING.

Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins: GOD must see the heart believe that one is being buried with Christ into Christ's death with actual and genuine faith. As the blood remits sins, so baptism is said to remit sins. Both BLOOD and BAPTISM point to the death of JESUS. So, GOD must see the heart that actually believes one is being immersed into that death on the cross. That's what Jesus meant when He said he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. Without the BELIEF the ACTIVITY is useless and void.

And ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost: Only God can give the Holy Ghost. People can fake it and fake tongues. And many have. But God alone gives the genuine Holy Ghost. And it occurs when a person's spirit is born of God.

All these three elements require genuine faith in God THAT ONLY GOD CAN SEE. Each of them can be faked. But that does not do away with the fact that the genuine experience of each them is vital for salvation.

Having said all of that, anyone can go through these motions and FAKE it all. And that means God saw NO saving faith involved in any of it if it's been faked by a person. We can see the outward activity being obeyed. But we cannot see the heart. But the fact remains those three elements are commanded in the Bible and must be carried out with genuine faith for salvation.

When someone goes through those steps, if they faked it that's their problem not mine. We all have enough sense to know the ultimate judgment comes from GOD AND NOT US. AND if God never saw the genuine faith required to make those three elements efficacious, then the person is lost.

And just because they can be faked, and just because many went through the motions alone, does not mean entire religious movements are saved without going through those three elements of genuine faith-filled obedience. Entire religious movements DO NOT TEACH faith in baptism, since these are the ones that baptize infants. Entire religious movements refuse to baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. These movements do not believe you speak in tongues when the Spirit fills a person as it did in the book of Acts.

It's not lack of going through motions at an altar that makes them lost. People can act out Acts 2:38 at an altar and remain lost. So, that shoots down you repeated nonsense you've been accusing me of in lying manners for months now, despite my repeated statements I do not look at activity at the altar. But just because people can ACT out those steps in faked obedience, and be lost, that still does not mean entire religious movements who fully avoid and do not follow through in genuine faith with these three elements God requires are saved. two wrongs don't make a right.

So, when we point to Acts 2:38 and ask these religious adherents if they did that for salvation, and they say NO, then they are lost.

And if they say they DID those three steps, but had no genuine faith required of God in each of them, they are just as lost as a faking OP who went through motions at an altar.

It's not a matter of having the correct words spoken over them at baptism. It's a matter of obeying the word of God and speaking what the word of God said to speak at baptism. It's as serious an issue to speak the name of Jesus in invocation as it is when casting out a demon. the name of Jesus has POWER.

Do people miss the same thing people in Acts missed by saying it's a mere matter of words being said and words don't matter??

Act 3:16 KJV And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Shazeep, do you believe it is a valid baptism for an infant ot be baptized?

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

What does it mean to say those who do righteousness are righteous? What's that say about how they became righteous?

Do you believe faith is required when we are baptized in order to be saved?

Mar 16:16 KJV He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

Shazeep: you only need about three verses, without contradiction,
to prove your claim. They are the scriptures that relate to the gospel
that saves!
You also need to differentiate between the souls of man, and all those
institutions that pretend to proclaim truth.

Now this:
There are only three "religions" in the world: the many gods religion,
who really are heathens; the no god(s) religion, who are atheists; and
the ONE GOD religion.
There are only TWO churches. The True Church, called out by the Lord
Jesus Christ; and the false church, which is every other "church".

And how can anyone know the true from the false? By this one scripture,
which is attested by the rest of the Bible: "There is no other NAME under
heaven, given among men, in which we must be saved."

Any other name is by the spirit of the anti-christ!

Re: Are all Catholics lost?
 

You don't even know what catholics believe, but you know who's saved and who's lost?

Who made you the arbiter of who is saved and who is lost, anyway?