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deacon blues 07-12-2016 06:28 AM

Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
John 21:15-17

15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.


Did Peter really love the Lord? He denied Him three times at a time when Jesus needed loyal friendship the most. Did Peter really love Jesus when he cursed and swore he never knew the man? How can someone say they love Jesus when they obviously failed Him so much?

The fact of the matter is, people who love Jesus, fail Jesus. Sometimes in epic ways.

Long after this episode Peter is the Apostle Peter, leader of the church, preacher of the Gospel. He has been making trips to Antioch to help strengthen the church there. After the conversion of Cornelius and his household, Peter has accepted that God is no respecter of persons, that salvation is for everyone, including Gentiles. He has embraced the brethren at Antioch and is helping to minister to that group of believers.

One time he came to Antioch with a group of Jewish believers from Jerusalem. In this particular instance, Peter acts differently towards the Gentiles. He distances himself. He is aloof. He won't eat with them. He's wrong. He's terribly wrong in what he's doing. The Apostle Paul calls him out on it publicly. His hypocrisy is exposed.

Did Peter fail God in this situation? Definitely. Did Peter love God? Undeniably. Is Peter defined by his failures? No. Is his legacy one of someone who loved Jesus and gave his life for the preaching of the Gospel? Yes.

In John 21 we see how the love of Jesus supersedes our failures. We see how Christ knows our hearts, even if we stumble through this walk of faith and we fail along the way.

I John 3:19-21 says "This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything."

Peter was disappointed in himself, he was discouraged. He went back to Galilee to go back to the life he knew before Jesus. But that wasn't God's plan for Peter. Peter had miserably failed Jesus, yet Jesus came to him, Jesus pursued him. Jesus wanted Peter to know that He wasn't finished with him.

Phil 1:6 reads "being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."

God's not finished with you. He hasn't given up on you. He wants you to believe in Him. He also wants you to know He believes in you---in spite of your failures. Do what He's asking of you: feed His sheep. Serve someone, tell someone about Jesus, share the Gospel, help someone, show them the love of Christ. If you truly love Jesus, forget about the failure and get busy with the work of the Kingdom.

mfblume 07-12-2016 08:17 AM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
Amen. Great stuff.

It is interesting that in the Greek, Peter was asked if he AGAPE'd Jesus. That is sacrificial love, enough to die for Him. Peter responded saying he merely PHILEO'd Jesus. That is love but not sacrificial. (Recall Peter said he'd sacrifice his life for Jesus earlier.).

This repeated itself again.

It's like Peter was saying he could not sacrifice himself for love for Jesus, but he did indeed love Jesus, albeit to a lesser degree.

The third time Jesus asked him, Jesus used the word PHILEO instead of AGAPE like the first two times. Peter said, "You know that I phileo you."

Then Jesus continued to say that Peter actually would sacrifice his life and grow into that AGAPE love after time. He would be taken by others, implying the death he would die.

This means Peter was told his love would grow to the point of sacrificial love. And it did. He gave his life for Christ hanging upsidedown on a cross since he felt not worthy to die just like Jesus upright on the cross.

WOW.

Our love may need growth, but God knows our hearts and we continue on with our failures, knowing we'll grow to the point of ultimate love! And if we love him we WILL keep his commandments. That means love is the key to obedience.

Michael The Disciple 07-12-2016 06:07 PM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
Yes you can. Then you get repent get up and move on. Then you are perfect again.

houston 07-12-2016 07:47 PM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1440178)
Yes you can. Then you get repent get up and move on. Then you are perfect again.

A perfect person doesn't fall. A complete person does.

deacon blues 07-13-2016 04:45 AM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
A friend of mine recently told me "We don't want to need Jesus. We want to believe we deserve Jesus. But if we deserve Him, we don't need Him. If we think we deserve Jesus, then condemnation follows because we are never good enough OR self righteousness ensues because we fool ourselves into thinking we have earned Him because of our obedience."

LifeGuide 07-13-2016 08:37 AM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1440125)
John 21:15-17

15 When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.




Did Peter really love the Lord? He denied Him three times at a time when Jesus needed loyal friendship the most. Did Peter really love Jesus when he cursed and swore he never knew the man? How can someone say they love Jesus when they obviously failed Him so much?

The fact of the matter is, people who love Jesus, fail Jesus. Sometimes in epic ways.

Long after this episode Peter is the Apostle Peter, leader of the church, preacher of the Gospel. He has been making trips to Antioch to help strengthen the church there. After the conversion of Cornelius and his household, Peter has accepted that God is no respecter of persons, that salvation is for everyone, including Gentiles. He has embraced the brethren at Antioch and is helping to minister to that group of believers.

One time he came to Antioch with a group of Jewish believers from Jerusalem. In this particular instance, Peter acts differently towards the Gentiles. He distances himself. He is aloof. He won't eat with them. He's wrong. He's terribly wrong in what he's doing. The Apostle Paul calls him out on it publicly. His hypocrisy is exposed.

Did Peter fail God in this situation? Definitely. Did Peter love God? Undeniably. Is Peter defined by his failures? No. Is his legacy one of someone who loved Jesus and gave his life for the preaching of the Gospel? Yes.

In John 21 we see how the love of Jesus supersedes our failures. We see how Christ knows our hearts, even if we stumble through this walk of faith and we fail along the way.

I John 3:19-21 says "This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything."

Peter was disappointed in himself, he was discouraged. He went back to Galilee to go back to the life he knew before Jesus. But that wasn't God's plan for Peter. Peter had miserably failed Jesus, yet Jesus came to him, Jesus pursued him. Jesus wanted Peter to know that He wasn't finished with him.

Phil 1:6 reads "being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."

God's not finished with you. He hasn't given up on you. He wants you to believe in Him. He also wants you to know He believes in you---in spite of your failures. Do what He's asking of you: feed His sheep. Serve someone, tell someone about Jesus, share the Gospel, help someone, show them the love of Christ. If you truly love Jesus, forget about the failure and get busy with the work of the Kingdom.

Bro...you have no idea how much I needed this today. Beautiful reminder of His perfect love. Thanks for sharing

LifeGuide 07-13-2016 08:38 AM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1440132)
Amen. Great stuff.

It is interesting that in the Greek, Peter was asked if he AGAPE'd Jesus. That is sacrificial love, enough to die for Him. Peter responded saying he merely PHILEO'd Jesus. That is love but not sacrificial. (Recall Peter said he'd sacrifice his life for Jesus earlier.).

This repeated itself again.

It's like Peter was saying he could not sacrifice himself for love for Jesus, but he did indeed love Jesus, albeit to a lesser degree.

The third time Jesus asked him, Jesus used the word PHILEO instead of AGAPE like the first two times. Peter said, "You know that I phileo you."

Then Jesus continued to say that Peter actually would sacrifice his life and grow into that AGAPE love after time. He would be taken by others, implying the death he would die.

This means Peter was told his love would grow to the point of sacrificial love. And it did. He gave his life for Christ hanging upsidedown on a cross since he felt not worthy to die just like Jesus upright on the cross.

WOW.

Our love may need growth, but God knows our hearts and we continue on with our failures, knowing we'll grow to the point of ultimate love! And if we love him we WILL keep his commandments. That means love is the key to obedience.

Well said Bro. Mike. Amen and Amen...

Michael The Disciple 07-13-2016 12:09 PM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1440182)
A perfect person doesn't fall. A complete person does.

They do all the time. Every Christian starts out perfect.

deacon blues 07-13-2016 08:03 PM

Re: Can You Love Jesus and Fail Him?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeGuide (Post 1440206)
Bro...you have no idea how much I needed this today. Beautiful reminder of His perfect love. Thanks for sharing

Glad to know it helped! Thanks for the feedback.


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