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shazeep 08-29-2016 01:37 PM

An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Israel
 
http://972mag.com/an-open-letter-to-...-israel/88585/

deacon blues 08-29-2016 02:33 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
I am hearing what the author of this article is saying, but where is the balance of the fact that Palestinian leaders have consistently sabotaged peace agreements? Ehud Barak offered Arafat 98% of the land the Palestinians demanded in 2000 and he wouldn't sign. The innocent people, man on the street types suffer because the leaders of the PA have been and continue to be abysmally corrupt. They won't even acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Not even when it's a condition for peace talks. Checkpoints are necessary as well as the wall because of decades of terrorist attacks on their innocent civilians.

The Arabs/Muslims coalesced together in 1948 to prevent Israel from forming as a nation. They threatened to finish what Hitler started. Arabs/Muslims who are citizens of the nation of Israel love far better lives than any other Arab/Muslim nation in the world.

If the Jordanians and others are so concerned for their Arab/Muslim brothers, why aren't they willing to absorb the Palestinians into their populations? They don't want them. The Arabs fight amongst themselves. They are tribal and hate each other with as much vitriol as they have for Jews.

Blaming Israel for the awful conditions of the Palestinians is old and tired. Israel isn't perfect, nor are the Jewish people, but Israel is a much better nation than any of her neighbors in the Middle East and elsewhere.

shazeep 08-29-2016 03:23 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
hmm. yes, Arabs hardly need much help to disagree. But it is hard to visit Israel and not see an apartheid state. There are even young Jewish groups stirring for change there now, though, which is amazing considering the stigma they are under. What with the growing boycott--which is much more active in Europe and Africa--cutting into their exports now, by 15% in the last year, the tide seems to be turning.

aegsm76 08-29-2016 03:33 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
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Originally Posted by shazeep (Post 1445665)
hmm. yes, Arabs hardly need much help to disagree. But it is hard to visit Israel and not see an apartheid state. There are even young Jewish groups stirring for change there now, though, which is amazing considering the stigma they are under. What with the growing boycott--which is much more active in Europe and Africa--cutting into their exports now, by 15% in the last year, the tide seems to be turning.

You have visited Israel?
And saw an apartheid state?
Can you give some relevant examples?

shazeep 08-29-2016 04:11 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
wow, where to start. Any Palestinian land title is considered worthless, and they are not allowed to improve their property. It kind of goes downhill from there.

aegsm76 08-29-2016 05:49 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
Can you start with answering questions 1 & 2?
And on the land titles question, can you be more specific?
What do you mean by "palestinian land titles"?

Esaias 08-29-2016 05:49 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
http://imemc.org/article/74620/

aegsm76 08-29-2016 05:55 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
Just doing some quick research found this little nugget.
link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_land_laws
snippet
Palestinian land laws refer to ownership of land under the Palestinian Authority (PA). These laws prohibit Palestinians from selling Palestinian-owned lands to "any man or judicial body corporation of Israeli citizenship, living in Israel or acting on its behalf."[1][2][3] These land laws were originally enacted during the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank (1948–1967). Land sales to Israelis are considered treason by the Palestinians because they threaten the founding of a future state and to "halt the spread of moral, political and security corruption".[4] Palestinians who sell land to Israelis can be sentenced to death, although death penalties are seldom carried out; a death sentence has to be approved by the Palestinian Authority President.[2][4][5][6][7]

Now who is practicing apartheid?

shazeep 08-29-2016 06:15 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
ya, that may be a law on some paper somewhere, but it does not reflect reality. No one recognizes PA land titles, and of course Israel is not the victim here by any stretch of anyone's imagination, except possibly in the news. No Palestinian has ever sold or wanted to sell their land to...anyone, really, even another Arab. Many are coerced into it via debt, which has been going on for a long time now.
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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1445675)
Can you start with answering questions 1 & 2?
And on the land titles question, can you be more specific?
What do you mean by "palestinian land titles"?

well, yes, and yes. And Palestine land titles were hereditary under Turkish rule, which basically translates to 'the state can come take it whenever they want.'

shazeep 08-29-2016 06:44 PM

Re: An open letter to Evangelical supporters of Is
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1445676)

pretty fringe, i think, but there are some ultra-orthodox, Zionists, that are pretty disagreeable to...pretty much everyone else, lol.


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