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Tim Rutledge 04-03-2017 08:02 AM

God created evil
 
IS. 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

What are your initial thoughts on the fact that God created evil??

jediwill83 04-03-2017 08:32 AM

Re: God created evil
 
My initial thoughts are,"What is their definition of evil."

Evil can mean destruction or calamity...It doesn't mean necessarily, that God has moral failings or is exhibiting aspects of other gods such as Loki the Norse god of mischief.

There were times that He was going to judge and destroy and because someone interceded and repented the Bible says that,"God repented the evil...."

Was God's judgement evil? No. God's judgement is holy and righteous but what He was about to cause to befall that that incurred His wrath was not something good...It was not a blessing and like I said, calamity is another word used for evil.

Original: רעה רע

Transliteration: ra‛ râ‛âh

Phonetic: rah

BDB Definition:

bad, evil (adjective)
bad, disagreeable, malignant
bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
evil, displeasing
bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
bad (of value)
worse than, worst (comparison)
sad, unhappy
evil (hurtful)
bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
in general, of persons, of thoughts
deeds, actions
evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity (noun masculine)
evil, distress, adversity
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)
evil, misery, distress, injury (noun feminine)
evil, misery, distress
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)
Origin: from H7489

TWOT entry: 2191a,2191c

Part(s) of speech:

Strong's Definition: From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra'ah; as adjective or noun.]

Amanah 04-03-2017 08:32 AM

Re: God created evil
 
God curses disobedience.

Tim Rutledge 04-03-2017 08:50 AM

Re: God created evil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1476677)
My initial thoughts are,"What is their definition of evil."

Evil can mean destruction or calamity...It doesn't mean necessarily, that God has moral failings or is exhibiting aspects of other gods such as Loki the Norse god of mischief.

There were times that He was going to judge and destroy and because someone interceded and repented the Bible says that,"God repented the evil...."

Was God's judgement evil? No. God's judgement is holy and righteous but what He was about to cause to befall that that incurred His wrath was not something good...It was not a blessing and like I said, calamity is another word used for evil.

Original: רעה רע

Transliteration: ra‛ râ‛âh

Phonetic: rah

BDB Definition:

bad, evil (adjective)
bad, disagreeable, malignant
bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
evil, displeasing
bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
bad (of value)
worse than, worst (comparison)
sad, unhappy
evil (hurtful)
bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
in general, of persons, of thoughts
deeds, actions
evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity (noun masculine)
evil, distress, adversity
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)
evil, misery, distress, injury (noun feminine)
evil, misery, distress
evil, injury, wrong
evil (ethical)
Origin: from H7489

TWOT entry: 2191a,2191c

Part(s) of speech:

Strong's Definition: From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra'ah; as adjective or noun.]

I think the evil they are referring to, is all the definitions above. I also must say the Lord is always righteous.

The Lord, IMO. He knew Lucifer would fall. & He knew all that that entailed/entails.

Esaias 04-03-2017 01:42 PM

Re: God created evil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1476678)
God curses disobedience.

:thumbsup

Monterrey 04-03-2017 06:59 PM

Re: God created evil
 
God is the creator.

Evil is kind of like darkness, it is a state of being but is also a prison.

God created both light and darkness.

votivesoul 04-04-2017 05:11 AM

Re: God created evil
 
Many people mistake the benevolence (the will to do good/the will to benefit) of God as meaning there is no malevolence (the will to do evil/the will to harm) with Him, which is simply not true.

God is jealous, and may deal with His own creation as He sees fit, and if there is some aspect of His creation that He deems worthy to destroy, from the human point of view, when it comes, it appears that God is acting in a malevolent way toward His people.

This is what causes a lot of people to dismiss the Bible and the God of the Bible, because they've been led to believe something about God and the Bible that isn't true. Sinners seem to think they have the right to judge God for the things in the Bible they find unpalatable or unbecoming of God, instead of fearing Him and repenting lest God do unto them as He did unto those He destroyed in ages past.

Tim Rutledge 04-04-2017 05:20 AM

Re: God created evil
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by votivesoul (Post 1476786)
Many people mistake the benevolence (the will to do good/the will to benefit) of God as meaning there is no malevolence (the will to do evil/the will to harm) with Him, which is simply not true.

God is jealous, and may deal with His own creation as He sees fit, and if there is some aspect of His creation that He deems worthy to destroy, from the human point of view, when it comes, it appears that God is acting in a malevolent way toward His people.

This is what causes a lot of people to dismiss the Bible and the God of the Bible, because they've been led to believe something about God and the Bible that isn't true. Sinners seem to think they have the right to judge God for the things in the Bible they find unpalatable or unbecoming of God, instead of fearing Him and repenting lest God do unto them as He did unto those He destroyed in ages past.

I agree.


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