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mfblume 01-04-2018 06:10 PM

Pastors or Life Coaches?
 
Is it me or are pastors nowadays actually more like life coaches and motivational speakers, instead of shepherds of flocks toward spiritual maturity? It's like psychologists rather than real Spritual leaders.

Aquila 01-04-2018 06:16 PM

Re: Pastors or Life Coaches?
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1514598)
Is it me or are pastors nowadays actually more like life coaches and motivational speakers, instead of shepherds of flocks toward spiritual maturity? It's like psychologists rather than real Spritual leaders.

It's not just you.

Sean 01-04-2018 06:45 PM

Re: Pastors or Life Coaches?
 
Hey, we pay them the 10th to be our spiritual leaders because we are not spiritual enough to have a walk of our own and to speak for ourselves with the one Shepherd.

mfblume 01-04-2018 07:08 PM

Bye Sean

Tithesmeister 01-04-2018 07:19 PM

Re: Pastors or Life Coaches?
 
Dr. Phil kinda?

Pressing-On 01-04-2018 07:25 PM

Re: Pastors or Life Coaches?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1514598)
Is it me or are pastors nowadays actually more like life coaches and motivational speakers, instead of shepherds of flocks toward spiritual maturity? It's like psychologists rather than real Spritual leaders.

It's more like the congregation viewing the pastor as a lecturer. They listen, but don't participate.

mfblume 01-04-2018 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1514620)
Dr. Phil kinda?

That's it.

mfblume 01-04-2018 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1514622)

It's more like the congregation viewing the pastor as a lecturer. They listen, but don't participate.

That, but also some really aren't guiding in a Spritual manner.

Tithesmeister 01-04-2018 07:52 PM

Re: Pastors or Life Coaches?
 
Throughout the history of man’s relationship with God, it has been God’s desire to have a close, personal relationship with His creation that is man. It seems He was able to do so with Adam for some time, and Abraham was a friend of God.

However, when the Israelites came out of Egypt God would visit with them, and there was fire and smoke. The power of God scared them, so they told Moses to go up on the mountain and talk to God and come back and tell them what He said.

Later, they told Samuel (because his sons were corrupt) that they wanted a king so they could be like other nations. God said they rejected Him, not Samuel. Today people are still prone to want a priest to communicate with God on their behalf, in spite of the fact that Hebrews is clear that we can go boldly before the throne, and that Jesus is our high Priest and our mediator. It seems that it is our nature to want a go-between to speak to God for us, even today.

I think a true pastor and a wise pastor will teach in such a way that his saints mature to the point that they less dependent on him and more dependent on God. Some saints have to counsel with the pastors over every little thing. It must be frustrating to pastor these kind of saints.

houston 01-04-2018 08:05 PM

Re: Pastors or Life Coaches?
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1514624)
That, but also some really aren't guiding in a Spritual manner.

Joel Osteen-ish


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