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mfblume 01-06-2018 09:04 PM

Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
Baptism is so vital that the jailer, who was willing to kill himself due to the prisoners like Paul and Silas being out of the prison, was willing the LEAVE that prison and risk his neck to get baptized.

Now, how in the world is that making baptismal unnecessary for the actual salvation if this guy who wanted to kill himself rather than be caught letting prisoners out actually goes out WITH THEM, further risking his neck, to get baptized? He would have been baptized later when it was safer!!!

Those who think water baptism is not absolutely vital cannot answer that!

(Mic drop)

Barb 01-06-2018 09:27 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1515063)
Baptism is so vital that the jailer, who was willing to kill himself due to the prisoners like Paul and Silas being out of the prison, was willing the LEAVE that prison and risk his neck to get baptized.

Now, how in the world is that making baptismal unnecessary for the actual salvation if this guy who wanted to kill himself rather than be caught letting prisoners out actually goes out WITH THEM, further risking his neck, to get baptized? He would have been baptized later when it was safer!!!

Those who think water baptism is not absolutely vital cannot answer that!

(Mic drop)

Yes, sir!!!

houston 01-06-2018 10:04 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
It’s essential.

houston 01-06-2018 10:05 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
How did that go? It’s essential but not salvific?

mfblume 01-06-2018 10:06 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1515077)
How did that go? It’s essential but not salvific?

Risking someone's life for something not "salvific" when it could be done later, is a little offkey to me. (exggaerating - it's huge!) lol

houston 01-06-2018 10:09 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1515078)
Risking someone's life for something not "salvific" when it could be done later, is a little offkey to me. (exggaerating - it's huge!) lol

IDK. I recall sitting in an A of G some 9 1/2 years ago. The teaching pastor encouraged people to get baptized. He stressed that there were so many benefits to baptism. Didn’t seem that he could really explain the benefits. Lol.

mfblume 01-06-2018 10:30 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1515079)
IDK. I recall sitting in an A of G some 9 1/2 years ago. The teaching pastor encouraged people to get baptized. He stressed that there were so many benefits to baptism. Didn’t seem that he could really explain the benefits. Lol.

:thumbsup

I can. SALVATION! :D

houston 01-06-2018 10:55 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1515090)
:thumbsup

I can. SALVATION! :D

Forgiveness of sins. Circumcision of the heart. Identifying with His burial and resurrection.

thephnxman 01-06-2018 10:56 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
His NAME is Jesus!

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1515079)
IDK. I recall sitting in an A of G some 9 1/2 years ago. The teaching pastor encouraged people to get baptized. He
stressed that there were so many benefits to baptism. Didn’t seem that he could really explain the benefits. Lol.

Look no further than the "Great Commission"

"Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them..."
"He that believes and IS BAPTIZED..."

And there is, of course, this other great benefit: the REMISSION of sins!

Some folks, even pastors now, refuse to read the scriptures.

Brother Villa

mfblume 01-06-2018 11:33 PM

Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1515095)
Forgiveness of sins. Circumcision of the heart. Identifying with His burial and resurrection.

Baptism into his death! :D

.. so that we're dead and therefore freed from sin. This means sin shall not have dominion over us any more. And it's what Peter said about baptism in 1 Peter 3 through 4, where we put on the mind of Christ and realize that if we died with Him we need not live to sin any more.


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