Salvation's Birth: Rep? Fai? Hol Spi Bap?
 

When does salvation begin?
Using scriptures, defend your view that salvation begins at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism.

"Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again).

I feel like chewing on beef jerky...

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Salvation begins when you are born of the Water and the Spirit. (John 3:5)

being born of the water and spirit is obeying the gospel (2 Thess 1:8)

The gospel being the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord (1 Cor 15)

We obey the gospel when repent, are baptized in Jesus name, and are filled with the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38)

We have to repent or perish (Luke 13:3)

we need to baptize to be saved (1 Peter 3:21)

when we receive the HG to walk in newness of life (Romans 6:4)

People will know you have the holy ghost when you speak with tongues (Acts 10:46)

The HG is the earnest of our inheritance. won't make the second coming without it (Ephesians 1:14)

you are either sealed by God with the Holy Ghost

or you are sealed by Satan and marked for destruction (Revelation 13:16–18)

Re: Salvation's Birth: Rep? Fai? Hol Spi Bap?
 

we are saved at the new birth experience.
we are being saved through a faithful walk with God.
we will be saved at the resurrection of the just.

Re: Salvation's Birth: Rep? Fai? Hol Spi Bap?
 

Where's The Originalist?

Re: Salvation's Birth: Rep? Fai? Hol Spi Bap?
 

Amanah pretty much summed it up and its as original as about 79 a.d.
you say defend using scripture. defend against what?

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No, there is a poster called the originalist on here and I would like to read his thoughtful discourse concerning this subject. As for "defend" it's just a word used to encourage someone to use scripture to present the Apostolic point of view-- a minority point of view concerning salvation within American Churchianity.

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John 3:5 "“I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God."

Which can come in one of 2 ways as Acts 2:38 " Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Or as Cornelius and His family received it I'm Acts 10:43-48 "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. [44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." So Repentance, Receiving the Holy Ghost, and then being baptized in Jesus name. The Holy Ghost can be given before or after Jesus name baptism, but the Holy Ghost will not come apart from true repentance. When it theres true Repentance the evidence will be exactly what took place in Acts 10:45-46.

But 1 John 5:8 holds the key "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." You can be baptized in Jesus name and not born of the Spirit, and no blood. You can be born or Spirit no Jesus name Baptism and no blood. But at the second you are Baptized in Jesus name, and receive the Holy Ghost, you are then washed in the precious blood of Jesus. For they all agree in one! If either are missing you are still lost!

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Do the Apostolics not have any Friends on this Forum who disagree theologically concerning salvation?

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yeah, they will show up, patience.

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I will say we do all have differing views, but on this one there's a pretty good consensus. Which is good we do at least agree here. There is only like 2 people who disagree on this one of them only half the time. But you will have to get someone else to start going that direction before they will say anything about it.