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houston 10-24-2018 11:34 PM
Would you sit under Eli?
 

Would you sit under a pastor like Eli? Maybe his children aren't wicked. Perhaps there are other issues. What if there were rumors of a shady past and indiscretions committed by your pastor? Some time passes and then your pastor promotes a repentant adulterer and former pastor to the ministry? Which causes you to think maybe the rumors of your pastor were not rumors.


Do you stay with Eli or find another ministry to sit under? Many people will vote with their feet. Others may try to stay and find a solution. Maybe the solution is to vote Eli out of the pastorate.

Decisions, decisions.

I would more than likely vote with my feet. At this point in life I don't need the drama trying to topple one regime for another.

Perhaps, maybe, just what if the pastor's ministry is necessary for the raising up of a Samuel. What if you're Samuel!?

jediwill83 10-25-2018 02:04 AM
Re: Would you sit under Eli?
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1552504)

Would you sit under a pastor like Eli? Maybe his children aren't wicked. Perhaps there are other issues. What if there were rumors of a shady past and indiscretions committed by your pastor? Some time passes and then your pastor promotes a repentant adulterer and former pastor to the ministry? Which causes you to think maybe the rumors of your pastor were not rumors.


Do you stay with Eli or find another ministry to sit under? Many people will vote with their feet. Others may try to stay and find a solution. Maybe the solution is to vote Eli out of the pastorate.

Decisions, decisions.

I would more than likely vote with my feet. At this point in life I don't need the drama trying to topple one regime for another.

Perhaps, maybe, just what if the pastor's ministry is necessary for the raising up of a Samuel. What if you're Samuel!?

How does God view restoration or reconciliation?



He restores to what?


To a lesser service?



Are all sins equal in the sight of God?



What does God do with our sin once we repent and are restored?


If Christ died for our sins, they are no longer OUR sins once we exchange our sins for His forgiveness and since OUR own sins are out of our reach and cannot come back upon us without further transgressions.


If that is the case, and He no longer holds forgiven sins against us, do we have the right to take someone elses forgiven sin and hold it against them when its something God doesnt even do and God is the one the pastor who allegedly transgressed against?



Is scripture true when it says that He cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness?


If we are cleansed from ALL unrighteousness, how does God feel when we come along claiming to still see stains in ourselves or others?



Not really our place to judge the necessity of someones calling when its not us that does the calling. The Master hath need of him.


Ultimately, the same critical eye we allow the enemy to turn in the direction of others that tells us why someone shouldnt be used will be the same critical eye that the enemy turns to ourselves to convince ourself that God shouldnt or wont use us. Double edged sword my friend.

houston 10-25-2018 02:26 AM
Re: Would you sit under Eli?
 

Being forgiven of sin has nothing to do with whether or not a man can continue to be a minister. A repentant adulterer can be restored to fellowship with the community of believers. He is, however, no longer blamemess and of good reputation.

houston 10-25-2018 02:31 AM
Re: Would you sit under Eli?
 

1 Timothy 3

Titus 1

n david 10-25-2018 02:57 AM
Re: Would you sit under Eli?
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1552504)
Would you sit under a pastor like Eli?
No. If the Pastor of a church I attended allowed his sons to sin openly in the church... absolutely not.

houston 10-25-2018 03:18 AM
Re: Would you sit under Eli?
 
Kinda different scenario.
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1552511)
No. If the Pastor of a church I attended allowed his sons to sin openly in the church... absolutely not.

Amanah 10-25-2018 04:03 AM
Re: Would you sit under Eli?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1552504)

Would you sit under a pastor like Eli? Maybe his children aren't wicked. Perhaps there are other issues. What if there were rumors of a shady past and indiscretions committed by your pastor? Some time passes and then your pastor promotes a repentant adulterer and former pastor to the ministry? Which causes you to think maybe the rumors of your pastor were not rumors.


Do you stay with Eli or find another ministry to sit under? Many people will vote with their feet. Others may try to stay and find a solution. Maybe the solution is to vote Eli out of the pastorate.

Decisions, decisions.

I would more than likely vote with my feet. At this point in life I don't need the drama trying to topple one regime for another.

Perhaps, maybe, just what if the pastor's ministry is necessary for the raising up of a Samuel. What if you're Samuel!?
What if you are Hanah and you pray and fast till judgement falls.

Originalist 10-25-2018 04:20 AM
Re: Would you sit under Eli?
 
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1552509)

Being forgiven of sin has nothing to do with whether or not a man can continue to be a minister. A repentant adulterer can be restored to fellowship with the community of believers. He is, however, no longer blamemess and of good reputation.
Over a period of time such a one could become blameless and of a good reputation again.

houston 10-25-2018 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1552514)
Over a period of time such a one could become blameless and of a good reputation again.
Maybe. I don’t believe in restoring men back into ministry after adultery.

consapente89 10-25-2018 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1552515)
Maybe. I don’t believe in restoring men back into ministry after adultery.
Your conservative roots are showing.


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