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Will the earth be destroyed by fire?

I'm disturbed by the state of our world in many ways and I just can't see it continuing indefinitely.

Our world is so spiritually bankrupt and immoral, we are living in the day when Christians are seen as intolerant, biblical values are seen as hate speech. The things Christians consider evil are seen as values to be protected.

We are living in a world where it is very difficult to discern reality. Who is the enemy? What is fake news and what can we believe?

We are also living in a world since the industrial revolution in which a small percent of the world has consumed a vast amount of the worlds resources, living in a manner that is unsustainable. How can we go on living this way?

Our water, air, and food is contaminated. I don't see our world lasting forever.

Back to Christianity. How far are we from the book of acts church? Jesus said for us to take up our cross and follow.

It seems to me that if someone actually embodied Philippians 2, they would seem alien and radical to us, what should be normal, isn't.

People are far more interested in consumerism, eating and drinking and being entertained, then in doing the hard work of fixing our world.

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And, everyone is so freaking fat. people are not healthy, but they are stuffing their faces with cookies, and candies, and cakes and pies.

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When Peter says the Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish but everyone to come to repentance. OK, 1,000 years is a day in the Lord's sight is not dealing with some timeline, It is dealing with the Psalm which deals with how brief our lives are. Peter uses that with 2nd Peter 3:9. the Lord isn't slow to fulfill His promise as men understand slowness, but He is patient. You all waiting for everyone to get some pay back isn't what God had in mind, not by a long shot. The elements burning up with a fervent heat and the works therein is the old system passing away. Jesus said (I know you all refuse to see this,) but He said until heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Unless you know of a temple in Jerusalem which is still fully operating with its animal sacrifices and priestcraft Then boys and girls whatever that heaven and earth He was talking about had something to do with even the minute piece of the Israeli Law system. Not some Johnny come lately Babylonian Talmud Rabbinical Judaism. That heaven and earth which would flee away from the face of Him which sat on the throne. That my dear friends is what was burning up with a fervent heat with its works therein. The works of the Law. The Lord isn't slow, as men count slowness. Peter emphasises this by telling them about God's patience. But wanted all of Israel and Judea to come to repentance. Peter, Apostle to the Judeans? Speaking directly to the Judeans about when that temple was supposed to come down brick by brick, stone by stone, and Jesus' words vindicated?

Neither could any generation which came before you. It is called hopelessness. You see, the EVERLASTING Gospel the world without end, seems not to work that well in the mind of the saints. Pretty much it has a cut off. Oh, yeah they say there is an end time revival, but faithlessness causes all of us to hit a wall. Then say come Lord Jesus, but not like Revelation to bring the New Jerusalem down from heaven so we have God with Us. But, come Lord JESUS to take us out of the world. While Jesus in His prayer of Gethsemane, was. "I pray not that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them. Keep them, protect them through any tribulation that might happen in any generation. Israel was supposed to world dominate in the name of the Lord, but the lost. The baton was passed to the True Israel of God, the one that was supposed to do greater works. But someone convinced them they were supposed to get out of here the minute her wagons got surrounded. Overcoming lives, yet not enough to overcome the world? Where sin abounds grace abounds even more? What happened there?

You aren't, I'm not, other brothers and sisters you personally know are good decent filled Holy Ghost saints. If we keep our light hidden how is that going to dominate the world?

Because we are. Just thank God someone is noticing.

Well, that's a Biblical fulfillment.

If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Well my dear sister, hang around a while. Secular people are getting a little fed up. Even the homosexuals are seeing they are being used as pawns by the liberals. the blacks are walking up to see how the liberals are the racists. They voted in Donald Trump, not because he is the beast, or he iss Cyrus reborn. The voted him in because they are sick and tired of being sick and tired. Our job isn't political, but spiritual, wee are to pry down strongholds, but sadly we have too many looking for fire to come down from heaven Luke 9:54-56.

Sister, Jesus knows all about that, we are to walk through the fire and not be burned, and the flood doesn't overtake us. Esaias posted world dominion? Sounds good to me John 14:12-14.


You sis, I can't make my wife, my daughters, my church family live for God. I can't make anyone who is an adult do anything. Revival starts with me, living a books of acts, or flying Elijah, Elisha double portions are all predicated on me. I may inspire someone on the way, but my main focus is getting me right. If no one accepts what I believe, if know one wants to live right, that's not my problem. My problem is me to listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, to follow the Spirit of TRUTH. The sons of the prophets kept hounding Elisha that His pastor was going to be taken away from him. He told them to shut up 2 Kings 2:3. We need to stop listening to the wrong voices, we have a church family, we have ministry over us in our location where we live. We need to inspire them. No one is going to go to work for me, no one is going to do my job when I get there. I have to do it to the best of my ability. But with the Church, it is Jesus working through me that gets the heavy lifting down. If you believe the planet is going to burn up, and that everyone is gong to turn into flesh eating Zombies. Then sister, then set your watch, but get busy doing the work, getting souls saved so they don't burn up. Pray that the LORD enables you to have a double portions, that you get to see blind eyes open, healings, casting out devils, even before you step in the room. Place these words in the first place you look at in the morning and before you go to bed, pray to Jesus that these sings shall follow you, "these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

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Jediwill showed me some cool pizzas last night. :happydance

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I'm more interested in the fruit of the Spirit than the signs mentioned in Mark.

The world goes not well, but his kingdom is coming.

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2 Peter

The saints were longing for Jesus to come that they would see him and receive the eternal life he had promised. Wicked scoffers were taunting them and mocking their hope even as men do now. Satan uses them to try to rob our faith that we would stop believing in Jesus.

Peter is addressing the coming of Jesus. Saints were suffering but they held out based on their hope for his coming.

The end time scoffers dont like to be reminded of Gods coming judgment on the world. When they hear that kind of preaching they attack it. Yet Peter uses this very thing in his writings to comfort the saints, assuring them that just as Christ promised to COME AGAIN he has also promised to judge the wicked.

Peter writes about the very coming of the Lord that the saints are longing for. The coming of the Lord where he actually comes and receives them to himself.

Paul wrote of the exact same thing. The coming of Jesus (day of the Lord) like a thief.

1 Thess 4:15-18

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

When Jesus comes their hope in the promise of his coming would be realized!

Now don't forget, there are no chapter and verse separations. Look closely at THE NEXT 2 VERSES.

1 Thess 5:1-2

1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

The day of the Lord coming like a thief to gather his people together meant the same thing to Paul as it did to Peter. The day Jesus COMES for his people.

Paul follows with the same warning of the judgment of the wicked that is as certain against them as the coming of the Lord to rescue them.

1 Thess 5:3

3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Here lies the key to the future hope the saints of every generation can experience. Tho it seems to them he tarries long TO HIM.....it's different than to us.

Even now while men mock the promise of his coming, God sees it from HIS PERSPECTIVE he hasn't even been gone FOR 3 DAYS!

That time frame 1000 years as a day and a day as 1000 years was given to us to hold onto while we patiently wait for him.

Peter now understood he was going to die and that he would not live to the coming of the Lord. He knew this coming could still be thousands of years away by our time but encourages them and us to keep believing that the day of the Lord will come!

verses 11-13
Peter does not relent in his teaching them of the great judgments coming and of their future hope! Even as the day of God will destroy the earth his people that DO live godly lives will inherit a New Heaven and a New Earth!

This present Earth will be destroyed by fire. It will be destroyed so that the Lord can make it into a new one wherein righteousness will dwell.

Rom 8:21-23

21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

At the time of the redemption of our bodies, the day of the resurrection the Earth will begin to come to this liberty also. But first it must undergo its destruction, that it might live again!

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But did Peter give them the hope they would fix the world? While our presence in the world will bring good, we will always be a light IN THE DARKNESS!

Nothing Peter says in those scriptures you posted gives the saints the idea they will ultimately fix the world. The exact OPPOSITE!

Saints will be here in a wicked world or age. In doing Gods will as prescribed in his word we will experience a FORETASTE of what the kingdom of God is like.

We are encouraged by Peter in that same context:

2 Peter 3:14

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

The "such things" we are looking for is the day of the Lord and entering into eternal life with him. The New Heavens and the New Earth!

He NOWHERE gives them the hope they will "fix" or "dominate" the world.

Our hope is in the coming of Jesus to gather us to himself!

Paul taught the same as Peter!

2 Thess 1:7-10

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Paul's emphasis is not on fixing society. Rather on saints being gathered to Jesus ON THAT DAY. Verse 10.

Now this does NOT mean we can live careless lives. Paul calls for holiness as we wait, and prays for it to be worked in them by the grace of God.

Verse 11

11Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

So live holy and spotless before God in our personal walk with him. Do good to all. Help who you can. But understand the Church will not FIX the world.

At his coming Jesus Christ will overthrow its kingdoms by force and violence.

Rev. 11:15-18

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

At his coming and his kingdom he will reward his saints and destroy them that destroy the Earth.

So the saints while being a light in a dark world are to save sinners out of it not to fix it. Jesus will fix it when he comes and we will assist him in the job.

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Amen being like Jesus. Thats the goal of God for the believer until he comes.

Rom. 8:28-29

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

That there might be a present revelation of Jesus in the Earth. In power and in meekness. Not one apart from the other.

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thank you for the encouragement brothers, I appreciate it.

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Why didn't Peter inform them that it wasn't going to happen during their time? That all they had to do is endure until their death where they would fall asleep? When they would wake up would be a better day.



2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. This isn't speaking of a second advent, because these individuals are "wicked scoffers" are Judeans who were mocking the Christians about Messiah. Number 1, the Judeans Christians were dealing with Judeans who mainly didn't believe Jesus was the Christ. So, when the first century Judean Christians would inform their fellow Judeans about a second advent, they didn't even believe that Jesus was the first advent. After all they mocked Him on the cross while He was dying, His death to them was GOD'S curse on Him (being unmarried and having no generation children) So, to a good lion share of the Judeans He didn't fit their idea of conquering Messiah. So, where is the promise of His coming is referring to those asking the Christians we don't believe that Messiah even came, because everything's the same as it was since the patriarches fell asleep. Everything is the same since the day of creation. Peter then reminds Judeans about there history of Noah, and how God wiped out the world. These Judeans would of also know that Genesis 8:21 said that GOD would not curse the earth anymore for man's sake, that every living thing would suffer because of man. God would never destroy all life (the creatures) other than man anymore. Genesis 9:11 speaks of God's promise to not destroy all flesh with a flood. Doesn't say He would destroy it with any other means? So, I won't destroy all flesh with a flood here is my rainbow, but there will come a day in man's future where I destroy all living with fire. I saved the creatures before, but in the future you all get destroyed with the wicked? No, the first mention must be followed, and in Genesis 8:21 the Judeans that Peter is speaking to understood that GOD wouldn't destroy everything because it doesn't motivate man to do anything. Then one might say well, it is over, wicked man is wiped out? Well, that isn't entirely true, because wicked man is hanging out in the Millenium waiting for Satan to come along and lead them against the saints of God.

Again, the comfort would of been focused on going to sleep in the grave with the fathers. Therefore in awakening the storm would be passed. Peter is mentions Psalm 90:4 For in Your sight a thousand years are but a day that passes, or a watch of the night. due to God while patient is about to do as HE promised. Psalm 90 speaks man's life as brief as grass, therefore God doesn't wait for ever to do what He says. The wicked were the ORIGINAL Judeans who refused to hold faithful to the law, who used the temple as a talisman, who rejected the son of the vineyard, murdering all the Master of the vineyard sent, but sealing their fate by murdering His only aire.


Peter is writing to these people in the present tense. Peter himself believes these things will happen within his time and the time of his readers. Again, like in Daniel, the prophet was informed whether these things were during his lifetime or future. We have noting like that here, because the Apostle never indicates that this destruction is in the far off future. 2,000 years and progressing is a long time. Yet, the Apostle is specific addressing his readers as they should expect this tribulation in their time, yet continue in hope. If far of in the future, the writer is silent, and never tells them relax, go and sleep until the time has passed. First century was a long time ago, and the apostles knew that these people wouldn't of been alive when this devastation would occur. A pre Tribulation rapture scenario doesn't work here, because Peter never informs them that they would be taken up while the planet is INCINERATED, and they are returned to a reformed recreated planet. Because that is what is being said here. heavens and earth totally obliterated, absolutely melted away, dissipated, vanished, poof thin air.

Actually, any mention of total obliteration is not mentioned here, but actually is focused on order of events during a change. One group is assured that they will not proceed the group who are already asleep in their graves. That the change that happens to those asleep, will happen to them who REMAIN, who are still alive. Fervent heat? melting planet? Utterly wiped out solar system? Universes as far as the mind could fathom, totally no more to be recreated? Yet, the dead proceeds the living and the living go in their own order?

A total destroyed universe is what is being referred to here?


This is referring to Psalm 90, where it speaks of man's brevity, and God eternalness. While man believes God to take long, while his own life is short. God is still going to fulfill things in the time frame He promises. 1,000 years is a day, is talking about 6,000 years and we are waiting to live in a temporary kingdom for only 1,000 years to end up in another war with another falling away at the end of the 1,000 years. Hmm, wouldn't that be the great falling away then? :nah

Where does Peter indicate that he and his readers would not see these events? 1,000 years are but a day? The promise of His coming, isn't the second advent, but the first advent. Peter is speaking to Judeans who not only doubted a second advent, but a first, because they didn't believe that JESUS was the Christ. Why would they even entertain a return if they didn't even believe He arrived?

Well, this has a few problems. One, since at until the passing of heaven and earth every jot and tittle, there would be no way for the law to pass until that event. Then my question must be, where is temple sacrifices continuing? Where is the Zadokite priesthood? Where are all the "legitimate" Israelites and Judeans returning to the feasts within the city of David? Where are all the law continuing all that was prescribed in Torah? 2,000 years and NO temple, no legitimate priestcraft? If the planet obliteration is required, then we should be able to see every jot and tittle still in place, still being practiced.

Paul, and Peter said that? Jesus clearly indicates that the law in its very last minute detail would continue until heaven and earth passed away? Where is this happening? Remember it must be continuing in the very smallest minute detail. Until the destruction of the universes?