Magic And Idols In Apostolic Church
 

This is continuing the earlier thread about magic in the Church.

In this video Bishop Arnold refers to himself practicing magic and teaching magicians. Also says he is especially entertaining KIDS OVER 50.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bQ7WsRN6Vg[/url



In this next video while teaching a Bible study you can see an IDOL OF A CHINESE GOD directly behind his head.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8SnHZq5sk

Is this an IDOL? An image of a foreign god?

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ior-deity-duke

Excerpt:

How influential is he?

Being one of the most popular and influential deities of imperial China, Duke Guan has the same importance as the Buddhist bodhisattva Guanyin, or Kwun Yum, as known in Hong Kong. In Confucianism, he is of the same rank as Confucius. Lord Guan is honoured as one of the “Saints of War”, also known as the “Saint of Wu”, as a translation of the Chinese term reflecting the ability to use violence in a positive way, while Confucius is called a “Saint of Culture”. In Taoism, Guan Yu is a guardian deity.

Thanks to Nicodemus for spotting the idol and Votiesoul for showing the identity.

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Paul states that idols are nothing, but TO THOSE THAT WORSHIP THEM, there is a demonic force behind it.

So now that you’ve accused JA of being a witch, are you now accusing him of worshipping an idol?

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Why is an IDOL of a Chinese God behind his head here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLwcxl6-WAw&t=209s

Guan Yu

Being one of the most popular and influential deities of imperial China, Duke Guan has the same importance as the Buddhist bodhisattva Guanyin, or Kwun Yum, as known in Hong Kong. In Confucianism, he is of the same rank as Confucius. Lord Guan is honoured as one of the “Saints of War”, also known as the “Saint of Wu”, as a translation of the Chinese term reflecting the ability to use violence in a positive way, while Confucius is called a “Saint of Culture”. In Taoism, Guan Yu is a guardian deity.

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So an IDOL is ok to have even when doing a Bible study? As long as your not worshiping it? Why would one have an idol?

Im not accusing him of worshiping it but when you have a mix of magic and idolatry it seems something is off here.

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Please go read and study the Bible for a while, and try to figure out why it makes you feel empowered to be sitting on your little judgemental throne. You are really not doing yourself any favors, as you are revealing a lack of spiritual discernment and Bible knowledge.


1Co 8:4.. As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one...


1Co 8:9.. But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak...
1Co 8:10.. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;..
1Co 8:11.. And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?..


If the videos are offending you...

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So a famous Apostolic Bishop refers to himself PRACTICING MAGIC as per the video then the same man is seen in the other video with an IDOL OF A CHINESE GOD right behind his head and you warn ME to go read the Bible! :heeheehee

1 John 5:21

Little children KEEP YOURSELVES FROM.....IDOLS.

Paul is talking about eating things offered to idols. John is saying KEEP YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS.

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Are you going to respond to Votivesoul's post?

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The following is the quote from VoltivesouI:

"If he is not doing demonic-based or demonic-led magic, is he transgressing the law of God, that is, is he sinning, in this regard?



So, again, the issue is merely his choice of words. Doesn't this seem like an awful lot to come down on him for? A poor choice of words? Especially when the word used to describe the actions in no way actually describes and therefore validates the use of the word? He calls it magic. You admit he is not practicing magic, at least any kind of magic that would be tied to the demonic, and therefore to sorcery and therefore to wickedness and sin. So, at worst, it appears to be a mere misnomer, wouldn't you agree?

And if that is the case, again, isn't this an awful lot to come down on him for?



And how do you know it will hurt young people? Your choice of words offers us a guarantee that it will happen. How do you know for sure? Or are you assuming/making an educated guess?



Doesn't a person's motive and intent have to be taken into account? If I hear some info that isn't completely accurate and I pass it along to you, have I deceived you, or merely passed on some inaccurate information?

If JA calls what he is doing magic, even though it's not, as you admit, and if he shows how all the tricks are accomplished, and what's more, the ENTIRE AUDIENCE is already in on the trick--which is the whole point of the entertainment--I fail to see where the deception is, except for the minor misnomer already mentioned.



What's the difference between doing them "out of the Church" or in? A saint is a saint is a saint, and a member of the Body of Christ, which is the Church, right? If it's wrong to do in or during or as a representation of the Church, wouldn't it be wrong to do these things in private?



But you've already admitted that what he is doing isn't even (demonic) magic, so where's the association? Just because sometimes some things can be associated together, it doesn't follow that they have to be, or always are. Wine is associated with drunkenness, so should a member of the Body of Christ not drink wine as part of their communal love feast when they celebrate the Paschal Lamb of God?

By this token, if, as you mention, beards are sometimes by some people negatively associated with certain aspects of the cultural climate, it would be better to shave and not be so associated. Is that not right?

It seems to me, too many things can be associated with sin if one is looking to make those associations, even if they are otherwise unwarranted. Perhaps that is the case here?



Have you contacted the Pentecostals of Gainesville and spoken with JA about your concern of him not being perfect before God in this matter, and so, out of the will of God?

If not, you can do so here:

http://gainesvilleupc.net/contact-us/"


Here you go Michael. Perhaps now you can reply. Blessings

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He’s not going to respond.

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I wonder why?