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ILG 06-27-2007 05:40 PM

Question For All You Prophecy Buffs
 
I was wondering what was taught about prophecy in ancient times. I know that we look at prophecy through the lense of modern developments and I was wondering when it became popular to teach about one world government and one world religions based on prophecy. In Jesus time, the Pharisees thought they had the prophecies all figured out, but in reality, they ended up missing the boat. I would like some insight on prophecy teaching from 200 AD through maybe the 1700's to 1800's. I was wondering how the teachings as we know them today developed.

Hoovie 06-27-2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 170176)
I was wondering what was taught about prophecy in ancient times. I know that we look at prophecy through the lense of modern developments and I was wondering when it became popular to teach about one world government and one world religions based on prophecy. In Jesus time, the Pharisees thought they had the prophecies all figured out, but in reality, they ended up missing the boat. I would like some insight on prophecy teaching from 200 AD through maybe the 1700's to 1800's. I was wondering how the teachings as we know them today developed.

Todays foretellers depend heavily on the Wall Street Journal and New York Times.

ILG 06-27-2007 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 170178)
Todays foretellers depend heavily on the Wall Street Journal and New York Times.

I agree. I don't think putting today's events into speculation is necessarily wrong, but I think we should put it into perspective.

Scott Hutchinson 06-27-2007 06:19 PM

Here is a school of thought that tries make all history bible prohecy.
http://1335.com

ApostolicRev 06-27-2007 07:06 PM

Most Pentecostal churches I know are not for prophet organizations....

Michael The Disciple 06-27-2007 09:54 PM

The early Church uniformly believed in what is called the post trib rapture.

pelathais 06-27-2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 170176)
I was wondering what was taught about prophecy in ancient times. I know that we look at prophecy through the lense of modern developments and I was wondering when it became popular to teach about one world government and one world religions based on prophecy. In Jesus time, the Pharisees thought they had the prophecies all figured out, but in reality, they ended up missing the boat. I would like some insight on prophecy teaching from 200 AD through maybe the 1700's to 1800's. I was wondering how the teachings as we know them today developed.

In the past they pretty much argued about every point and detail, just like today. Different schools of thought held sway at different times, just like today.

To understand Bible Prophecy in the apostolic churches of today you need to study the history of Dispensationalism and how it was developed as an answer to the skepticism of the Enlightenment. Obviously, not all apostolics are dispensationalists, but most of "the movement" developed from within that framework.

For the dates you mention, the biggest debate was literal versus allegorical interpretation. The world was predicted to end with the 2nd coming of Christ over and over again in the Middle Ages. The year 1000 AD; the year 1100 and then 1200, and so on. I forget the exact year, but something like 1214 gripped a lot of people's minds for reasons that I have also forgotten.

In the late 1600's there was a movement, starting in England, that believed the rise of Protestantism and the waning of absolutism represented the dawn of a New World Order.

They felt that just as Sir Isaac Newton had "defined the order" of the world (planetary motion, gravity, the inverse square law, etc) so also would science define the human world and its laws of government. This was the spirit in which the US was born - just look at the back of a dollar bill.

That's where the "New World Order" came from, a belief (sadly an often mistaken belief) that human wisdom and science had "come of age" and that a paradise was on the horizon. The many disappointments that resulted from this have had a big hand in the birth of dispensationalism and such.

Hoovie 06-27-2007 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 170389)
In the past they pretty much argued about every point and detail, just like today. Different schools of thought held sway at different times, just like today.

To understand Bible Prophecy in the apostolic churches of today you need to study the history of Dispensationalism and how it was developed as an answer to the skepticism of the Enlightenment. Obviously, not all apostolics are dispensationalists, but most of "the movement" developed from within that framework.

For the dates you mention, the biggest debate was literal versus allegorical interpretation. The world was predicted to end with the 2nd coming of Christ over and over again in the Middle Ages. The year 1000 AD; the year 1100 and then 1200, and so on. I forget the exact year, but something like 1214 gripped a lot of people's minds for reasons that I have also forgotten.

In the late 1600's there was a movement, starting in England, that believed the rise of Protestantism and the waning of absolutism represented the dawn of a New World Order.

They felt that just as Sir Isaac Newton had "defined the order" of the world (planetary motion, gravity, the inverse square law, etc) so also would science define the human world and its laws of government. This was the spirit in which the US was born - just look at the back of a dollar bill.

That's where the "New World Order" came from, a belief (sadly an often mistaken belief) that human wisdom and science had "come of age" and that a paradise was on the horizon. The many disappointments that resulted from this have had a big hand in the birth of dispensationalism and such.

Thanks! I find all this very interesting. Wish I had a good easy to read book documenting this.

ILG 06-28-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 170389)
In the past they pretty much argued about every point and detail, just like today. Different schools of thought held sway at different times, just like today.

To understand Bible Prophecy in the apostolic churches of today you need to study the history of Dispensationalism and how it was developed as an answer to the skepticism of the Enlightenment. Obviously, not all apostolics are dispensationalists, but most of "the movement" developed from within that framework.

For the dates you mention, the biggest debate was literal versus allegorical interpretation. The world was predicted to end with the 2nd coming of Christ over and over again in the Middle Ages. The year 1000 AD; the year 1100 and then 1200, and so on. I forget the exact year, but something like 1214 gripped a lot of people's minds for reasons that I have also forgotten.

In the late 1600's there was a movement, starting in England, that believed the rise of Protestantism and the waning of absolutism represented the dawn of a New World Order.

They felt that just as Sir Isaac Newton had "defined the order" of the world (planetary motion, gravity, the inverse square law, etc) so also would science define the human world and its laws of government. This was the spirit in which the US was born - just look at the back of a dollar bill.

That's where the "New World Order" came from, a belief (sadly an often mistaken belief) that human wisdom and science had "come of age" and that a paradise was on the horizon. The many disappointments that resulted from this have had a big hand in the birth of dispensationalism and such.

Thank you for your insights. I am familiar with dispensationalism but am unsure how it fits into your outline. Certainly, science is revered as the answers to everything.

mfblume 06-28-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 170351)
The early Church uniformly believed in what is called the post trib rapture.

I like these sorts of responses. EVERY VIEWPOINT OF PROPHECY claims the early church proposed their version. Lol


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