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Forum: Deep Waters 03-09-2017, 12:18 PM
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Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

One way I've heard it spoken of before, is that the sound of speaking in tongues is that of birth. If repentance is our death to the old man, and baptism is our burial then it stands to reason that...
Forum: Deep Waters 03-06-2017, 03:23 AM
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Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

:thumbsup

I disagree with KBTW, and I have issues with her distortions of what we believe regarding the evidence of tongues, but I would not accuse her of mocking.
Forum: Deep Waters 03-04-2017, 10:26 AM
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Forum: Deep Waters 03-04-2017, 09:32 AM
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Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

KBTW, why are you so insistent on twisting our words? You can't just say you disagree with us about tongues, you have to pervert what we're saying to conform to what you believe about us, that...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-28-2017, 09:13 PM
Replies: 328
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Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Are you serious?



*sigh*

I give up.
Forum: Deep Waters 02-28-2017, 11:08 AM
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Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Tongues are mentioned several times, as well.



That's because tongues are not salvational, how many times must we say that?
Forum: Deep Waters 02-27-2017, 08:02 PM
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Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

The problem with your use of that verse, is that it also doesn't mention baptism or repentance. Would you then say those are optional or not a requirement for salvation? You're defeating your own...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-23-2017, 08:39 AM
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Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Forum: Deep Waters 02-21-2017, 06:32 PM
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Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

That's why I posed that hypothetical earlier in the thread. I wanted to find out if she really believed it was an optional thing apart from salvation, or if she thought it was necessary, just not as...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-18-2017, 06:34 AM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

So you won't affirm if you believe that. Okay, I guess we're done. If you won't say what you believe one way or the other, I don't see any point in continuing.
Forum: Deep Waters 02-17-2017, 10:57 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Oh, and nice job avoiding answering a simple yes or no question. I never asked if the person WOULD be saved, I asked if you BELIEVED that person would be saved. If you're unwilling to answer to...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-17-2017, 10:56 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

You claim that because Mark 16:16 doesn't mention the infilling of the Holy Ghost, that it's not a requirement for salvation. By your logic, since Romans 10:9 doesn't mention repentance or baptism,...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-17-2017, 10:46 PM
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Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

So you won't say whether you believe they'll be saved? If you're so sure of what you're saying, why can't you affirm it?

And according to your logic, Romans 10:9 is saying you don't even need to...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-17-2017, 07:16 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Okay, let's just lay it all out on the table so there's no more confusion. Let's say someone repents of their sins and is baptized, but dies before receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost (ignoring...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-17-2017, 06:42 AM
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Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Just as an added thought to help reconcile what KBTW and ND are saying back and forth. Yes, the infilling of the Holy Ghost is a gift, but we must accept it or we are none of His.

If we do not...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-14-2017, 11:38 AM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

I don't understand how that wasn't clear.

When you eat your fill, you will be full.

When you receive the Holy Ghost, you will speak in tongues.

Cause versus effect. How much clearer can I...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-13-2017, 06:37 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

The answer is no, tongues are not necessary for salvation. Which is what I and many others have been saying all along. What we are saying, is that when you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-07-2017, 02:58 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Actually, it doesn't and I haven't. While I've no doubt they were saved, the Bible never explicitly says they were saved or that they received the Holy Ghost. What you underlined, was the teaching...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-07-2017, 04:58 AM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Tell me, where in that passage did it say they received the Holy Ghost?
Forum: Deep Waters 02-06-2017, 08:32 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

No, the initial evidence of speaking in tongues is not the same as the gift of tongues. I'm pretty sure my previous post already addressed that.

Hang on, let me check.

Yep, I definitely wrote...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-06-2017, 11:40 AM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

It's not a contradiction, because you're equivocating the gift of tongues with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. They are not the same thing. One might never have the gift of tongues,...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-02-2017, 10:50 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Okay, I'll try to answer you. If you haven't spoken in tongues, I would say that you haven't experienced the full new birth experience by receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Does that help to...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-02-2017, 10:47 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

You're the one who keeps insisting what we claim isn't really what we claim. How else should I interpret that?
Forum: Deep Waters 02-02-2017, 06:39 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

That's putting the cart before the horse. Your thinking is so twisted on this subject, I don't see how we can come to an understanding. Your mind is set on how you think I (and others like myself)...
Forum: Deep Waters 02-01-2017, 08:35 PM
Replies: 328
Views: 39,122
Posted By Jito463
Re: Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongue

Technically, they're evidence. And no one I know believes they're "salvational", merely that when one receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost for the first time, they will speak in tongues. To call...
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