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Originally Posted by Maximilian
Paul, do you agree that there are many factors that go into reading what some call "the plain text?" That hermeneutic responsibility is important? That the words we use so plainly in English, were actually in Koine Greek? That understanding the culture, time and context for words helps inform their meaning? This is where the majority of the debate on those two scriptures stems from. And it's a very good debate to be sure.
Like you, I don't find women eldership to have NT precedent. I also see a very real resemblance with the social order God has placed in marriages, in the same manner as is given to the Church. Both are equal, but both have differing roles/expectations, at least as it concerns pastoring eldership.
That said, scholars like Gordon Fee make great points about these texts and issues that humble me just enough to be tolerant for differing views. I also believe that to be the Word of God.
When this situation is looked at more closely, we see that it's not so plain and simple after all. In fact, it can be quite complex and puzzling.
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First of all let me say I don't profess to be any kind intellectual and am certainly not a great Bible scholar. I ve never been to Bible college or a seminary . I did however sit under a very wise pastor for ten years as he groomed me for the ministry.He taught me that there will always be wise men who will take a position and then try to prove it in the Bible.He said the way to be correct is to take your position from the Bible and let wise men try to disprove it. Now let me give you my country boy logic about women preachers.There are several kinds of fishermen just as there are several methods for catching fish . If we were having a fishing tournament to get enough fish for a fish fry and some came in with fish caught in nets and some came in with fish caught with poles and some came in with fish caught on trotlines and then some came in using an illegal method called telephoning. Our goal is to have a fish fry we throw nothing back into the water .As far as the law goes telephoning is illegal but we are throwing nothing back that has been harvested.I still stand by my convictions even though I give to missions and more than likely some of that money goes to help support women preachers on the mission field. I won't with hold offerings to missions because women might benefit from it.I haven't changed my opinion one bit ,yet if a woman preacher were sick I would pray for her, if her car broke down I try to get it going again never asking if she going to use it to go preach.I just try to follow the letter of the law as I see it.