[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No and yes.

lol

They were not saved in their lifetimes in the OT because the cross of Jesus had not been provided for the transgressions under the law. Since the atonement of the cross, they are saved.

••Which is my whole point. I think they had it easier.....easier than your version of grace, anyway.

Hebrews 9:15 KJV And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.



Again, we talked about this before, tongues are not something we have to do in order to get saved. It is something that HAPPENS ON ITS OWN when we receive the Holy Ghost. Why can't people get the concept that the CAUSE is not the EVIDENCE?

••Wow, that sounds GREAT!!! So I don't have to do ANYTHING!!!! It'll just happen!! When should I expect it??

Whatever the case, it is not a matter of trying harder when people believe you are not saved without speaking in tongues. Trying harder does not get anyone the Spirit baptism with initial "evidence" (not cause) of speaking in tongues.



That is the problem. TRYING!

••Ok, I promise not to try. You have my word!

Exactly. And that is why it is not a matter of TRYING and EFFORT. Tongues is EVIDENCE NOT CAUSE.

••Ok, I understand loud and clear. I won't try, I won't do a darn thing. One day I'll be walking down the mall, minding my own business and BAM, it'll just happen. I can't wait.