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Originally Posted by Charnock
But that's not we've been told.
We've been told that lines and fences make a difference.
You cannot logically espouse both positions at the same time.
If standards are powerful, and keep us from sin, then it stands to reason that this sort of stuff would never happen - especially among the very men who've created the lines and fences.
We've all heard... - When a church loses standards it loses the power and favor of God.
- People who don't follow standards are loose, and sinful.
- Obedience to a pastor's standards builds a hedge from sin.
- You can't be saved without holiness (read "standards").
This is a man who firmly believed Lee Stoneking's tripe about the power of a woman's long, uncut hair. His church embraced the doctrine.
The doctrine states that a man and a church are protected so long as the women of the church keep the scissors out of their hair.
Protected from what? At various times LS and Ruth Reider Harvey have posited that uncut hair guarantees protection from adultery, accidents and other calamities.
In the end we see the foolishness of standards preaching. It creates a false sense of security based upon what we do. Instead, we should distrust our own heart and lean on Jesus to protect and keep us from evil.
This all leads back to a distorted soteriological baseline. Measurements save instead of Jesus. We lean to our own understanding rather than trust Him to direct our paths.
In the end, we fail. Miserably. Repetitively.
I truly wish those of you who so vehemently state "it happens among all groups" now would remember this, going forward, as you preach and teach. |
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
First of all please don't say "WE" as if you speak for all of us.
Second you are making a classical mistake called a sweeping generalization. It shows your process is not based on thoughtful objective reasoning but emotive subjective reaction
Lastly nothing in the above proves such failures are systemic of Conservatism or Legalism. The facts are they happen across the board in all areas of Christianity .
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As far as I can tell I am not in violation of any forum rules, therefore I will continue using language I feel is appropriate to the topic at hand.
You are not an authority and have most certainly not seen the things I've seen or been involved in my experiences. I pardon your condescension and ignorance because I perceive that you are attempting to play "big man on campus."
I am quite sure that I am not alone in my belief that legalists enjoy the kill.
Now, as to your repeated disclaimer that all have sinned, and that all are guilty? Well, duh, that's exactly what I have been posting for the past few pages. Unfortunately, your decade-long struggle with reading comprehension coupled with your penchant for obnoxious arrogance blinds you to that fact.