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Old 05-15-2013, 03:40 AM
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Re: Holiness vs. Legalism

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Originally Posted by larrylyates View Post
Are you denying the Authority and Inspiration of the Scriptures? I ask because all of the Scriptures I listed prove that there is nothing hidden from the child of God ?


A rebuke is very serious and I only use it when I hear Satan speaking through someone. The first time I rebuked you was when you called me a false prophet and the 2nd time is as I have quoted again is your passive aggressive suggestion I am denying the Scriptures. I expect you to be man enough not to run and hide behind the passive aggressiveness expressed in your words because your intention has already been noted both on earth and in heaven that corresponds with your "false prophet" accusation of me. Fair enough?

The Bible makes it very clear that there are both good teachers and bad teachers who still need to be taught the rudiments of the truth. Those who do not use all Scriptures that pertain to the subject are denying the 1st rudiments of the truth and in doing so have committed the sin of forcing a witness to remain silent. (Leviticus 5:1)

You're telling Marie that she is wrong in needing teachers (because they know the truth and have God's approval on them) while quoting a verse from the epistle of John while at the same you have obviously either through intention or ignorance overlooked the fact that John is speaking only of those who have the Holy Spirit abiding in them. In other words they have not just been given the Holy Spirit, but because they've been taught the truth and have the love of God in their heart the Holy Spirit is abiding them allowing them to overcome the deeds and desires of Satan.

Do you understand the difference between being given the Holy Spirit and having the Holy Spirit abiding in you? Because there is a major difference, and the only time Christians sin is when the Holy Spirit is not the spirit that is abiding in their heart at the time that they have committed the sin......... and that you can take to the bank!

John had already addressed the situation before you took one verse of his while choosing to ignore the others that describe those who had the Holy Spirit abiding in them. Take a look earlier in the chapter;

John 2:13
I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.


Both of the above have been given the Holy Spirit otherwise it would not be children of God let alone “young men” who have not yet become “fathers a.k.a. elders”. The difference between the young men and the children is overcoming the wicked one that is only accomplished by having the Holy Spirit abiding in one's heart. I already have a thread here explaining what happens when Christians fall back into sin because the Holy Spirit has left their heart. Suggest you spend some time there.

Our hearts are pictured as the lamps in the room of the holies that had to be trimmed daily, or in other words if they were not trimmed daily as in having additional oil added to them they no longer burned. Hopefully, the teaching is not lost in the metaphor.

In conclusion:

It is very apparent that you have not yet overcome Satan because you are quick to make false accusations revealing your lack of knowledge of the truth.

Several times since I've been here you have exhibited signs of immaturity patting yourself on the back while putting other people down and I'm not the 1st to say this.

You are a teacher who still needs to be taught!

Blessings

Doug

Last edited by Livelystone; 05-15-2013 at 04:01 AM. Reason: spelling
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