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I am with Blumeberg... baptism is the circumcision of the heart! I don't know anyone else that believes that.
That being said, Abraham's faith is what justified him. Circumcision was a sign of his covenant with God. These mythical people that refuse to be baptized are refusing to enter into covenant with God, they are showing that they do not have faith, they are not justified.
Now, baptism to obtain forgiveness? No! Baptism because of forgiveness... Do sinners enter into a covenant with God?
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