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Originally Posted by Ferd
LOL thats the oldest question in pentecost
if you ask CC1 its true.
if you ask me its not.
CC1 is still a good guy
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This.
My personal belief is that a person must repent of their sins, have their sins washed away in baptism and must be filled with the Holy Ghost in order to go to Heaven. Yep, I'm an Apostolic traditionalist on this issue.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
How does Acts 19:1-2 show the Holy Ghost as being "subsequent" to salvation? Obviously, he didn't deem them to be saved without it. |
Agreed, nothing in that passage implies that the "certain disciples" were saved with--or without--the re-baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost. Obviously it needed to be done; Paul seemed to think it was important enough to introduce them to baptism in Jesus' name and being filled with the Holy Ghost. Now, why would Paul think that people who were already BELIEVERS and DISCIPLES needed to be re-baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost?
Wasn't repentance enough?
The most important conclusion that can be drawn from
Acts 19:1-2 regarding our doctrine is that repentance and believing are not synonymous with being filled with the Holy Ghost. 1. They hadn't even heard that there was a Holy Ghost--even though they had repented and were believers, and 2. In spite of the fact that they had repented and believed, Paul prayed for them and the Holy Ghost they hadn't yet heard of or experienced "came on them" and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. It was definitely a
separate experience from repentance and believing.
I have always appreciated the
respect that Paul showed those disciples, though. It's an important attitude that the overly-exclusive Apostolic church world should emulate.