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Old 05-17-2017, 09:44 PM
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Re: If Obama Shared Israeli Intel With Turkey...

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Hilary should be placed on trial for keeping classified information on a private server.
What is the LAST thing the FBI said about this? Seems to me that all they wanted to do was just cause questions. Heaven forbid we question the actual POTUS...

As I recall, Comey said Hilary was "reckless" but she did not intend to keep classified data on the private server. yet, according to the law, intent has nothing to do with it. This appears to be an example where the elites are held to a different standard than average Americans.


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Someone in the Justice department should be jailed for Fast and Furious.
Who though? The practice of "gun-running" started under who? When?

I believe it may have started under the Bush Administration. A thorough investigation should be accomplished. People in the FBI should know that they will be held accountable when they break the law. Even if the President orders an illegal act to be done, there is no legal justification to break the law.

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The people responsible for using the IRS to target conservatives should be fired and lose all benefits and placed on trial.
Disagree. That was investigated and the accusations were unfounded.

I disagree. The woman who refused to answer questions should have been fired and her retirement forfeited.

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There needs to be a root cause analysis done on Benghazi and the obstructionist (negligent person) placed on trial for murder.
Disagree. There wasn't a single person responsible for Benghazi-- CONGRESS was responsible for Benghazi when they trimmed that mission's security funding.

This is not exactly true. As I recall, there were several requests to upgrade security. This goes through the State Dept. not Congress. They were all denied. Of course at the time Obama was running for re-election and trying to say that ISIS was a JV team and was nothing to worry about. Then the Middle east blew up. It was called the Arab Spring. People died and someone should be held accountable IMO.


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Those who upheld the lie that it was about a stupid low budget movie should be banned from political life forever.
That is not how a representative democracy works. Besides, the truth came out and I still cringe how people wanted to KNOW exactly what had happened within 48 hours of that terrorist attack when there were SEVERAL attacks and protests that day, around the whole world-- not just one.

This is true. However, it bothers me greatly that people do not seem to care and vote the liars back into office or the liars bosses keep the people on the payroll. This makes them complicit in the lie IMO. Of course this is a natural consequence to a nation that has kicked God out of the public sphere.

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The people responsible for spying on journalists should be jailed.
Disagree. The Constitutional implications are concerning, but unless an actual law was broken, drastic, knee-jerk responses like that won't help the direction our country is heading.

Really? You don't care about rampant government spying? What about the Constitution that is supposed to protect peoples right to be secure in their property and person's?


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The handling of Bergdahl should have landed impeachment proceeding on Obama - He ignored the Senate and gave up 5 (if I remember correctly) well-known terrorist for a single Army deserter.
Disagree.

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I am thinking that since this is a military situation, as Commander-In-Chief, he can make the call to not leave any Americans behind. So really, your only recourse would be to attempt to court martial the Commander-In-Chief. Not gonna happen. Bergdahl appears to be pure trash. I probably wouldn't have included White House photo ops for his parents in the carrying out of my duties to bring Bergdahl home. I would have done what I could to bring Americans home-- especially Americans who are alive.


This was not just an Executive decision. If I recall correctly the POTUS is supposed to have the consent of the Senate before releasing terrorists.

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The Iran deal ignored the Constitution.
Care to elaborate? I disagree, but President Obama, the Constitutional scholar, probably thought about your objections before he made that deal. I probably haven't.

I doubt he had any concern for my objections. :-)
The Iran deal is a treaty. As such it requires Senate approval. By trying to argue that it was an Executive Order ignores the Constitution. It should be scrapped IMO. Iran is one of the largest state sponsor's of terrorism. They must not be allowed to attain nuclear weapons. They are crazy enough to use them against the "infidels".


Trump is his own worst enemy.
Agreed

If you want to show yourself objective, please bring up ALL the senseless POLITICAL violence connected with Trump, his words, and his supporters.
Perhaps some other time.

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I support the ban on immigrants from the nations listed on the Trump travel ban.
I would support it IF it wasn't presented in such a clearly xenophobic manner. His words has led to Judges across America questioning his intents with his travel ban.

The first Executive Order should have been written better. However, It was not a ban on ALL Muslims. It was a ban on people from specific countries that are known havens for terrorists. Then, it is temporary until a plan can be put in place to ensure a better vetting process. His words have nothing to do with it and judges should look to the law and not the media. It is an example of how the Left is hell bent on destroying everything he does. It is a scorched earth policy and they do not care about anything except their agenda IMO.


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Are they coming for a handout?
I think this question belies an unfortunate prejudice you have been fed concerning the vast majority of immigrants who come to America-- legally and illegally.

Most immigrants who come to America come for the opportunity-- not for the handout.

Then, you should agree that welfare and all other freebee's should be cut off? I reject the idea that my comment was based on "prejudice". Nowhere in my post did I reference anything that would target a person's ethnicity or religion or anything else. I believe you owe me an apology on this one. :-) It bothers me that the Tzarnov brothers were here planning their murderous attack in Boston while being supported by handouts from this country. Immigration is not a "right". It is privilege.


I don't like Trump and I believe it was a sad day for America when he was elected as our President.

I am at the point now where I really hope he is JUSTLY impeached so that we can try to salvage what is left behind the leadership of Mike Pence or Paul Ryan.
IMO opinion it would have been a worse day if Hilary had been elected.
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