[Costeon]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Because of the concept of "modalism".

Jesus as a man was not one person with God. He was one person with God in his deity.

In one mode of being he was God. The only God.

In another mode of being he was man and not God.

It still works this way. Right now as God, Jesus is THE GOD. YAH.

Right now Jesus in his humanity is not God but rather he is THE MAN, JESUS CHRIST.

He is not as some SEEM to portray a God man. Kind of half God and half man.

The distinction when Jesus speaks of his God is between his humanity and his deity.



Its when Jesus is speaking as a man he says "us" and "we" and rightly so. From his human nature Jesus sees God as his Father.

Rev. 1:6

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever.

Rev 3:21

21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

My creed is:

1 Tim. 2:5

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

There is one God (Christ in his deity) and one man.

Not 2 God persons.

This is one reason I have been inquiring about the Greek for "one". I have been using this in discussion/debate with the Trins and so far they have not addressed it. To me it seems it cannot be refuted. Nonetheless if and when they challenge the Greek I want to be as certain as possible that the Greek for one God and one man is the same.

You say, "Its when Jesus is speaking as a man he says "us" and "we" and rightly so. From his human nature Jesus sees God as his Father."

Based on John 1, I think everything Jesus says in the Gospel of John is as the Word incarnate. I don't see how his sayings can be divvied up between his man mode and God mode.

The issue with this brand of modalistic thinking is that nothing Jesus says really is as it seems. On just about every page of, say, the Gospel of John, Jesus the Word incarnate distinguishes himself from the Father. Just read the Gospel straight through. It's relentless. But, then we say, no, Jesus is actually the Father as well--just in another mode. Basically we have Jesus saying, "So all that talk about we and us, and my God, and he sent me, I only do what he tells me, etc., well, I was just talking about myself in one mode communicating with my other mode."

What books have you read on the Godhead or Christology that have helped you formulate your modalistic view and that you would recommend?