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The laid back pastor is in SoCal, Orange County. Lots of people who attend look like your typical UPC standards, those who don't don't and you never heard a thing about it. The pastor didn't criticize and browbeat about it, so guess what, the church people didn't either. He is a wonderful pastor. He wasn't a control freak, let's just say that. His general personality temperament didn't lend to it.