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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
From the Apostles' you say? What Biblical evidence could you present to prove this assertion beyond referring only to 1Co11? As such it is only an assumption. 'Traditions received' you say? If these traditions you speak of were received from the 12 apostles, they had received them from the Lord Jesus. But we have no Biblical record of Jesus, or the 12, speaking on the subject of co/unco.
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1 Corinthians 11:2 KJV
Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
The word translated "ordinances" means "traditions". The apostolic church in Corinth had received traditions, "ordinances", that were delivered to them by the apostle. The NT is pretty clear that there was a uniformity of faith and practice among the churches, Paul didn't teach anything the other apostles didn't teach, and vice versa.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Again, traditions delivered to the church of Thessalonia by Paul, either by his speaking or by his writing.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 KJV
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
There it is again, traditions delivered to the church by the apostle. The apostles were sent by Christ to establish the church, therefore their teachings in faith and practice are to be followed by apostolic congregations.
Matthew 28:18-20 KJV
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: [20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The apostles taught the churches everything that Jesus had commanded them. Which would include this stuff:
Acts 1:2-3 KJV
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: [3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
2 Peter 3:1-2 KJV
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: [2] That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
To suggest that you would not accept as obligatory any teaching or instruction of an apostle UNLESS you could find it written in one of the Gospels as the words of Jesus is known as the "Red Letter Only Error". The problem is, not everything Jesus stated is written in the Gospels:
John 21:25 KJV
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
The apostles were authorised to teach. That is what they did. Their teaching was unified, because Jesus didn't establish 12 different religions, one for each apostle, but ONE FAITH. Therefore, the apostles taught the same thing, the same doctrine, they were on the same page, and all Christians were expected to be on that same page as well.
I believe that since this incredibly simple and obvious error is where you started from, the rest is not really germaine to the discussion. Until a person understands that when an apostle teaches Christians ought to do some thing in some way then Christians are in fact to do that thing in that way, then there really isn't much point going further. You can do and believe whatever you want, but as for ME I am "apostolic", meaning my faith and practice is determined by the teaching and example of the apostles. THEY are authoritative for me, because it is only through the apostles that any of us even know Jesus existed, much less what He taught. Their doctrine is His doctrine, I believe on Jesus through the word (teaching) of His apostles.
If we aren't in agreement about that, which it seems we clearly are not, then there is no point debating "what" the apostles taught.