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Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Dom here demonstrates apathy to correct interpretation of scripture as a preacher. None should do so. I demonstrate resistance to wrong interpretation of scripture by writing this thread.

Don, obviously from reading your posted rantings concerning God, and Paul's view concerning scripture and Romans 14 this whole thing is a non issue. From what you have posted, Paul would've wanted us to stop arguing about any of this. You are OK, and I'm Ok. From the conclusions I have drawn from your posts, is that we should just go on our merry way. You being spiritually delusional, and I being quite satisfied knowing I am not stuck on the pew next to you. It's all good according from "MY" take away from all your posts. You are an inclusionist. I've got that understanding long ago from reading your threads.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Good question. Why the necessity of bothering the Org's already busy Supt when the Org he represents has already shown acceptance of multiple head covering doctrines? Why is it that those who are parts of this Org are not aware of the practice of their Org and do not follow its example? Had proper emphasis of Ro14 been shown in the Org then this visit to the Supt would not have been necessary. Pastor Doe should be/is already aware of this, but ignores it and gets away with it because the Org lets him, either wittingly or unwittingly, spiting the many verses of Ro14;15.1-7 given expressly by the Lord for situations just like this. And Dom puts on his 'Defender' hat and argues against its proper practice. If the rationale which gains Pastor Doe's acceptance in the Org is not accepted by an esteemed member of AFF, YOU, then what hope does a saint, B. Smith, have when they go to the Org (which will usually back the Pastor when it is Pastor vs saint in a topic without acknowledged guidelines) when it has no acknowledged rule which says it must. Instead, Ro14 may be ignored.

No one standing in agreement with scripture is out of luck.

Also, where would B. Smith go if their Pastor is the Supt, who rules just like Pastor Doe?

Don, if these guys won't let you play in their reindeer games, leave. Where will you go? Don, that is where you start having a little talk with Jesus. You are the one making the issue, you are the one wanting everyone from General Superintendent to the pastor to starting seeing things your way. It's all on you buddy. These guys may of not even knew you had a problem with any of them. But the problem is still just your problem. You have to follow your own teaching, which you been trying to prove to us. You are setting them up as the "WEAKER BRETHREN" you obviously see yourself as the guruji. Therefore if I understand any of your ravings, (which is a feat in itself) the Apostle Paul would've instructed YOU to leave these guys alone. Sit on the pew and smile.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Supts are well known to be Pastor-Supts. Where to go, Dom, in the absence of the acknowledgment all should have of Ro14? If Supt Doe has wrongly determined in his heart that any opposition to his view of Ro14/'his personal head-covering view' is an attack of Satan against the Org, where will B. Smith go for the scriptural-wrong done to them when they are rejected?

Dom is guessing. He thinks my Pastor is Pastor Doe and I am B Smith. Lets let Dom keep guessing about something which was given only as an example.

Don, I personally, don't believe you even are currently in a church. If you exhibit even half of the bullheaded your way our the highway behavior there like you do here? Any Apostolic Jesus name preacher would call you an Uber.

You know I'm telling the truth on that one. You have been in Pentecost since day one.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

The unscriptural harm done to them also causes harm to the Body which they are part of it.

Dom demonstrates apathetic attitudes to people who hurt. Dom is not feeling like God feels. God hurts when those he loves hurt. Don't you read the Bible Dom?

Don, you are a full grown man. You have been in Pentecost since the dawn of time. Through your postings my only take away is that God isn't black and white. But a whole lotta gray. The Apostle Paul ( in your mind ) wanted everyone to get along just to get along. Apathetic? No not all, but you my boy, just want what you what. Unscriptural harm? Don, you are dealing with people, who don't or won't believe like you. If you explained your beliefs and they can't see it, or refuse to see it. What would you have them do? The pastor is over his church. The elders are those teaching the church. If you are a member, then you are with them. Either you agree with them (whether or not you even believe what they teach is doctrinal) or logically you go somewhere else. As I stated in the beginning it is their church, their building, their A/C, their water and electric bills! Don, everyone wants a book of Acts church. I get all that. We all want it to be Jesus serving bread and wine. But, this is what we have, and unless you start your own thing, then buddy boy you'll have tribulation. No word-serving position for you.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Dom paints me as a butcher in a parking lot, while I'd like to be painted as someone contending for proper interpretation of Ro14. There is no similarity between these two pictures. Dom has lost connexion with reality.

Don, you are not contending for the faith. You are in another guy's ministry wanting to make him see things your way. That is not contending, that is pretending. That you will push the envelope hard enough this guy is going to fall over, start speaking in tongues, and pay you 10 year back tithe. Don, you have a pretty inflated self image of yourself. Cut these people some ecclesiastical slack.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Dom expresses sympathy with a Pastor who rules contrary to the Word, seemingly justifying it with excuses of brevity of time being a Pastor. These are not suitable justifications when Ro14 should have permeated church-culture practices. I write this thread, hoping for the correction of the deficiency of practice.

Sympathy for the pastor???? Don, I would give sympathy to anyone who has to deal with you in real time. You my boy is rough and tough and hard to diaper. Sympathy to the pastor isn't what is going on here. I am trying my best to point out to you or anyone reading this, that arguing with a man who is over a CHURCH BUILDING like you are doing may be FUTILE. If they send back your cards and letters. If they stop answering your texts, and emails. If they cross you off their Xmas card list. Then honey child, it is either time for you to cease and desist, sit down and smile and wave. Or walk out the front doors of the church with NO HARD FEELINGS.