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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I would gather the male pastor would turn around, because he is more apt to be called by that title. From saints, visitors and those around his location if they knew him as a minister.

Here, you are right. He is more likely to carry the title of "Pastor" among the people. There are people that don't attend our church that call him "Pastor" when they greet him. She is affectionately referred to as "Preacher Mama", a term of endearment the church has given to her.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Does anyone call the pastor's wife "pastor?"
Or are is she referred to as sister, and the pastor, brother?

Collectively, they are our "Pastor", and they each carry that title and have that respect from the congregation.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I would take the above to mean neither are referred to as pastor?

I've already answered this above, so I'll let this be.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Over 50? Do you believe that's too old?

No, not at all. I was simply being funny.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I wish you, and your wife the best.

I do certainly appreciate the well wishes. My wife, our baby, and myself are thriving under God's blessings. He is so good to us and we are thankful for His goodness and mercy.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What I was initially pointing out, is that no one can use Galatians 3:28-29 to justify female ministry over adult males. The Apostle is strictly talking about salvation, hence the reason Greeks and Judeans are mentions with slaves and freeborn Roman citizens. Obviously those other groups still existed while the Galatian letter was being written? Also in the verses we are told about Abraham and his faith. Which means zero towards women being the same as men in ability to lead men. I know that the whole woman preacher crowd uses Galatians 3:28-29 to prove literal gender fluidity as being part of the New Testament. Yet, when we place the verse in its proper context in the chapter and the Bible, it isn't proving gender fluidity at all. Let me just say, you would do yourself a favor by not using Galatians 3:28-29 to defend female leadership over men.

So, let me be clear, you're saying I shouldn't use Galatians 3:28-29, right? No, I'm picking. I hear you loud and clear.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It's like this, all churches are built on what they don't believe. They don't believe in long sleeves, short pants, no hair dye, no toupees. no open toe shoes, no beards, or no clean shaven faces, all adult men must have an uncut beard. etc, fill in your blank. Everyone gathers around what they don't believe in. It is led by the elders of the church formulated by the teachings taught in their church. This question has a simple answer. Would your ministry hand over their pulpit to someone who doesn't believe like they do? Would they allow the Charismatic pastor's wife be welcome to preach from their pulpit?

So, I'll take that as a no then. You don't fellowship with churches that permit women to preach.

To address what you said, I'll give you an example. My Pastors were once close to an elder Baptist preacher and his wife. This Baptist preacher would sometimes visit our church on special occasions or pop-up at a tent revival. Out of respect for the position he held, my father-in-law would call him to the pulpit, get him to testify, and his wife might sing a song. But, to be clear, the Baptist preacher was never asked to preach to us or to take charge or control over the pulpit or service in that manner.

To give a more specific example concerning the charismatic preacher's wife, you'll remember they showed up at our revival back in August 2025. The charismatic lady preacher was recognized and asked to say something on behalf of her church. However, owing to where she was in the sanctuary (it was quite crowded), she was not called to the pulpit, but testified from where she was sitting. You'll also remember that my Pastors and the charismatic lady preacher and her family have a history. They've known one another for decades.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, the male pastor has no time to pastor the church? Because he is too busy with secular work? Therefore his wife has to do the ministerial work? I do believe I need a tad more clarification here.

We are what would be considered small country church, and we are by no means a wealthy church in terms of finances. With that, he has to work to support himself and his family.

That said, that does leave her to doing most of the foot work when it comes to the ministerial duties.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The Bible has no precedence of women leading men. If we take the Deborah route she was a judge, during a time when Israel was in rebellion to God. Also she wasn't a leader of men, she was told by God to find a man to lead the 10,000 men from Naphtali and Zebulun to fight Sisera. Not her. The only reason she accompanied Barak because he wouldn't do it unless she agreed to go. She agreed to go but said, "the road you are taking will not lead to your glory, for the LORD will sell Sisera into the hands of a woman". A woman gaining the victory wasn't used as a good thing. But as a symbol of disgrace. Therefore no New Testament writer employs Deborah as an example as a woman minister for the New Testament church. In Hebrews Barak is employed as the one remembered as a hero of faith, and not Deborah. This perspective aligns with a complementarian view of gender roles, which are found in 1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34. Which establish different, complementary functions for men and women within the church and family. This primarily reserves teaching and leadership roles for men to men. In contrast, those with the woman leadership over the adult male view interpret these same scriptures to fit their agenda. They often point to individuals such as Junia in Romans 16:7, Phoebe in Romans 16:1, and the often misinterpreted Galatians 3:28-29. The woman preacher crowd see Deborah being a judge, suggesting that God empowers both men and women for leadership roles in the New Testament Apostolic church.

So Deborah was in rebellion because Israel was in rebellion? And does a judge not have authority over men?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

A very good question. Elder and younger usually refers to those more experienced not only in life, but in the life in Christ. The Apostle was making a point concerning not only younger women in age but as followers in Christ.
Proverbs 27:17 as you mentioned would apply to all the female saints as they all grew in grace and knowledge with the Body of Christ.

Agreed. Eldership isn't always about years on a calendar, but about one's maturity in Christ. My youngest sister-in-law has been in the church her entire life (well, all of them have been) and she has a prayer life like someone that's served God for decades. She can get in the Holy Ghost like nobody I've ever seen. She is an elder, no doubt.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Which doesn't have anything to do with female leadership of men. It had to do with Moses telling Joshua "Are you zealous for my sake? Oh, that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put His Spirit upon them!” Numbers 11:29. Which points towards more to the day of Pentecost, then giving license to a woman to lead elders of a church family. It's poetic language of the prophet, not an edict to ordain women to lead other women's husbands. The Apostle Paul commends Timothy concerning his mother and grandmother 2 Timothy 1:5. Yet, the very same Apostle states to Timothy in his first letter to Timothy, "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." While Paul highlights a legacy of genuine faith passed down to Timothy through his mother, and grandmother, he also tells Timothy to not allow women to teach or hold authority over men. This isn't a contradiction, but how the Judeans and early Apostolic church viewed the role of women.

Do you believe that lady preachers are out of order and can't be anointed by God? Not saying you've said that, but I'm asking. Have you ever been in a service where a lady preached and felt the anointed? Does God not anoint those who are called?

Wait, would you leave a service where a woman was called to preach? From what I gather, you wouldn't be there in the first place, correct?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I think I know what you mean, but could you clarify the above sentence for me? When you say unction of the Holy Ghost induced prayer are you talking about something occurring spontaneously? Where someone male or female has an unction from the Lord to pray for my family and myself?

Say a Holy Ghost-filled woman is led by the Holy Ghost to lay hands on a man and pray for him during worship service or during the altar call.

Is she out of order? Has she misheard God? Is she not to lay hands on a grown man, especially if said man isn't her husband or child?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I've never heard of anyone rejecting prayers from any sincere saint of God.
But, I may be misunderstanding the question.

Brother, you just haven't been around the right kind then. I've heard grown men say that a woman had no business laying hands on them, and they've set it in the pulpit with a microphone in their hand. Some men that are very hard against women in any form of leadership are so hard on women even having a role in the church other than being pretty and being their arm charm.

And no, I didn't hear this in my church. I used to visit churches a lot (which I don't do anymore), and I heard such stuff in those churches.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That's an interesting sentence. Could you explain why you felt this way about them? You did leave their church on good terms?

Despite the charismatic church's history with my own, they've drifted apart, and did so years ago. They simply don't travel in the same circles anymore. The churches and evangelists the charismatic church fellowships with and endorse are the "charismatic" kind.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They don't like preaching? Or they don't like to be preaching material?

As I say, they've gone quite a different direction. Drastically different. The traditional "Apostolic" preaching isn't what they want. They're more inclined to want the signs and wonders stuff.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That's nice

Yes, I thought so.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

OK.

Yes.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Would that be a Freudian slip?

Typo. I wish you and yours nothing but the best. All of God's blessings.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No, I wasn't raised an Apostolic. I've been Apostolic for 36 years.

Wow. I don't believe I knew that before now, but I may not be remembering that I've read it elsewhere. What were you raised?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Amen in Jesus name.

Yes, it's his "thing" to say when he testifies. Sure, he says other stuff, too, but we usually expect him to begin or end with it.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Again, Amen in Jesus name.

Yes, I do pray for that entire church often. I pray they return to their first love and get things back in order. I pray we're all in order and ready to meet the Lord once He comes back.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Also thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

Not a problem at all.