[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

I love 'discussing' with you, Dom.

No you don't. You actually can't stand to be wrong. This post will be identical to all your other posts. Nothing changes, just more of your weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

The things you say are so entertaining that it makes it fun to think about them.

They are entertaining because all your time in the church you felt any correction from the pulpit was entertaining. It was never meant for you. It was just meant for all the other sinners around you. You just couldn't wait for the chance to climb up behind the pulpit to filet some fish. You are a bud nipper, you see correcting others' incomplete teachings as your Superpower. When you yourself have zero business correcting anyone in a church family. You have no respect for anyone else's hard work in bringing people together to break bread, and share what they have. Hypothetical Pastor J. D. and his elders are over a church family who is in a church building. B. Smith is over nothing. All this entire thread is about is B. Smith wanting to get a word serving position. Period. So let's just forget what doily some sister wears on her head.

It is obvious that you want a pass due to your interpretation of Romans 14, to get some hypothetical cry baby in the pulpit. Tell B. Smith to grow up. If the pulpit is that important to him, then he should run an ad in the paper looking for a job to preach in some denomination. Because after all if B. Smith is half the man you are, he sees everyone under his interpretation of Romans 14.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

As of today I have not yet read every one of your posts.

Is that because you can't stand the sight of blood? Just gets you crazy to hear you aren't as called as you thought you were? Well, that might be a good sign. Maybe you will wake up and grow up? How long you been in Pentecost?

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

B Smith is said to say things in this post they havn't said in the example given in post 1.

I thought you want us to read between the lines?

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

In post 1 they are represented as believing a head-covering view derived from scripture, and denied by Pastor Doe to have a Word-serving position in church because of it.

OK, Pastor Doe has that right, because he is over the congregation. Like I have been saying over and over. If B. Smith doesn't teach what Pastor J Doe teaches then they can discuss it. If Pastor J. D. rejects what B. Smith wants to teach the church family. Then oh well, I guess it's GAME OVER!

But, Don, why don't you tell me what would be B.Smith's recourse of action if Pastor Doe doesn't accept B.Smith's Manna from heaven? Go ahead and tell me what would YOU do?

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Today's post by Dom and my responses assumes B Smith had taken an active roll in sharing his head covering views with Pastor Doe. Though not included in post 1 lets assume the scenario as part of the example.

Lord have mercy on us all if everyone thinks and acts on the thoughts these words show: Whatever happened to going by the Book?

OK, but Pastor J. D. doesn't see the BOOK, like B. Smith sees the BOOK. Now what do you do? Pastor J. D. wants all women in his church to wear tin foil cone shaped hats on their heads. What is B. Smith going to do about it? In your interpretation of Romans 14, Pastor Doe is allowed to have his own opinion. B. Smith is allowed to have his own opinion. Nothing is even hinted that the Apostle Paul said these individuals could minister to the church their own opinions. Romans 14 doesn't teach individuals weak or otherwise getting word serving positions? B. Smith is still out of luck.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Yes, metaphorically he does.

Is that so? Then just believe metaphorically Pastor J.D. is teaching a complete view.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Plz, lets not look further until the current unscriptural practice has been dealt with. One at a time, is the wise advice often given. This is right. But their views are an incomplete view. The rationale you present here would tell the Baptist to continue without the new birth because the repentance they believe in is Biblical. Well, yes, repentance is Biblical but an incomplete representation of the Gospel. Those saints who side with Pastor Doe's representation of Ro14 (weak/strong saint view) fail to embrace the complete view that Paul presents (to accept those saints with contrary views on scripture which presents the ability of more than one correct view).

Does B. Smith go to a Baptist Church? Is Pastor J. D. over a Baptist Church? We are still talking about a UPCI congregation? If you attend a "Independent" KJV Onlyist "Ruckmanite" Baptist Church, and you went to the pastor with what you or I believe. They would tar and feather you, and I. No amount of pleading or kneading will get us room at the table. Don, you are posting above that Pastor J. D. the elders, and the saints "fail to embrace a complete view" of your understanding of Romans 14. So, to give the opportunity for B. Smith to hold a word serving position where he can teach his own view on head coverings. What isn't penetrating your rock block noggin is that the pastor, elders, and the church family don't have to see anything the way B. Smith sees it. They all can be sliding into an eternal lake of burning fire! Yet, if they aren't willing to see what the other guy is seeing there is nothing he can do, other than pray, wait, or hit the gate.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Why does this escape your cognition?

Don, you are the one with a cognitive dissonance. You believe that you are right and everyone else in the church is wrong. It just doesn't work that way. If B. Smith is in a church family, which has a pastor over it, then it is up to the pastor who gets and who doesn't get a word serving position. How long have you been in Pentecost and you knoweth not these things?

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Do not follow the likes of Pastor Doe because it will be following someone who misses parts of scripture, important parts.

That's why the church building has an exit sign over the doors. If you don't want to "follow" the guy, you leave! Bye Bye Charlie!

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Don't be a Pastor Doe, who fractures the body of Christ by unscriptural actions.

Don't be, just call an Uber, and take your bat and ball and go home. It is simple as that. Therefore they will be left all by themselves while they fracture the body of Christ in their little podunk church in the backwoods of Nowhere Canada. While you are at home curled up in the fetal position.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

You, Dom, applaud Pastor Doe's booting out the saint Paul says should be accepted, rejecting an important part of Ro14.

Hey, Pastor J.D. is probably a bigger problem than B. Smith. It really sounds like they deserve each other. Also the Apostle Paul would give you a Billy Jack roundhouse kick to the temple if he ever heard your interpretation of Romans 14. I shudder to think what it would be like to be in a Bible study group with you teaching it. I probably jump out a window after enduring it for an hour.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

And would you applaud others who also do so? Right. But they have suffered lack. Pastor Doe has taught them that Ro14 is only about the weak/strong saint. They have not been taught the rest of Ro14. They are blind to a part but whole heartedly only agree with the part they are taught, as they should. The question before us is whether they are wrong or right to say so.

Don, I have explained this over and over. If B. Smith has 24 kt gold manna from the throne room of God. He needs to go through the leadership of the congregation. It is the same thing no matter what denomination sign you place over the door. Again, how long have you been around Apostolic Pentecostal Churches? All you want for me to say is that your Inclusivism rendering of Romans 14 is right, Pastor Doe is wrong for not believing like you, and B. Smith deserves the pastor's parking space. B. Smith needs to start his own church and teach whatever nonsense that pops in his rock hard head. This isn't rocket science. I wouldn't want to stay in a place where you were the pastor, I would run out of there like my head was on fire. But, If you were my leadership, and we had a difference of teaching, I would first take it to you and you alone. I wouldn't expect you to place a bishop's mitre on my head if I didn't believe like you, and you didn't want my view to be seeded around your church family. If I couldn't deal with that, then exit stage left. I would be more than happy to vacate the premises. But, if I wanted to stay with my loving brothers and sisters, and my eldership. Then I would have to get praying that the Lord opens their eyes, and then hope to Jesus for the maturity to WAIT! Because if what you have is platinum Truth of God, then it is up to God to give the increase. NOT YOU OR I. Not B. Smith.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

The Baptist is right to believe about repentance, should continue to hold to it, but embrace the full gospel, right?

We aren't talking about Baptist Ruckmanites. If you were attending a Ruckmanite church you aren't attending it to CHANGE IT. You are attending it to agree with their beliefs. If you get an epiphany on Jesus name baptism and take it to one of their elders? Than good luck sticking around. This is why we are up to 45,000 different denominations. Because they all see one Book differently. Only ONE can be right. Narrow is the way, and strait is the door which leads to eternal life, and few there be who will find it.