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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
God bless Evang. Benincasa. God loves him with an everlasting love. Those who do not love those who God loves set themselves against God.
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OK.
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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
When Paul includes in Ro14 that which he had not included in 1Co, we then see he is referring also to a principle he applies to those areas of scripture which he knows are capable of having multiple interpretations.
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He doesn't say multiple interpretations. Paul said meat offered to idols was demon worship,
1 Corinthians 10:19–22. With the Pauline epistles they aren't fragmented. They are whole and should be understood in their entirety. Paul tells us these new converts "weak saints" were having concerns over Holy Veganism which was their opinions. Not doctrines, but Paul calls them opinions. The Greek διαλογισμῶν actually means disputing over opinions. In some English translations the word is translated "quarrel over opinions" Paul didn't see them as different doctrines these people were holding. They were weak in the faith, they weren't elders within the Church. Therefore they wouldn't of been allowed to lead in Bible study. That is very apparent in Paul's thoughts on these "weak faith" brethren. Paul made it very clear that meat offered to idols was indeed demon worship. Hence, his admonishment to bare with these weak individuals with love, "receive one who is weak in the faith" instead of shutting them down in word, and behavior by ignoring them and eating when you are alerted that the meat you are eating is offered to demons
1 Corinthians 10:25-27. If the elders exercised their freedom to eat and it causes the "weak" brethren to fall into sin or violate their own conscience, that action is a sin against the brother and Christ. Paul is instigating peace among the elders to the weaker youngers so they would be encouraged to grow in knowledge. Therefore the elders wouldn't be offending Christ by standing in His way, since He was the Master who was able to make His servant stand
Romans 14:4. This was in no way setting a precedent for weaker saints having a word serving position in the Body of Christ.
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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
In this we may be seeing the understanding of Paul maturing as he gains more experience. Ro is written after 1Co, after Gal. And Col yet to come.
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Seriously? So, Paul the Apostle, the writer of the Pauline Epistles had to mature as he gained more experience, but not the "Weaker Saints" as I have been repeating myself over and over again. Whatever. I see that word serving position in about a million pieces on B. Smith's kitchen floor.
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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
It still remains true that Paul does not teach those Ro's, those who have contrary views, what they should believe on this subject. He isn't seen correcting their improper views if he thinks they have them.
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I guess
1 Corinthians 10:19-22 really messes you up. Because Paul always believed that idols were demons. He was a "Hebrew of the Hebrews"
Philippians 3:5. Who most certainly understood the spiritual dangers of demon worship
Deuteronomy 32:16-17. Paul actually refers to
Deuteronomy 32:16 in
1 Corinthians 10:22. No, Don, this wasn't Paul the Apostle's first rodeo. The weaker saints weren't involved in demon worship. In their strictness of avoiding meat offered to demons, they became Holy Vegetarians. Paul wanted the elder, more experienced men and women, to welcome the weaker in faith, welcome them, not to snuff out what little faith they had left. Paul, desired these weaker brethren to be nurtured by the Holy Ghost until they came to full age.
"What say I then? that the idol is anything, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is anything. But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?"