[donfriesen1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Votivesoul's conclusion it was gnostic. Yes, Don, you are an ecclesiastical Mr. Potato Head.

Of course! We must believe votivesoul is infallible! He thinks Dom is 'credited' and must also see Dom as infallible.

Paul writes about a woman not usurping the authority of a man. And what OT command does Paul quote for support?

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 1Ti2.

Quote a command? No, he quotes an event for support. Paul writes NT doctrine from that which is taken from events and not commands. He deduces NT doctrine from events which contains no statements or words expressing God's opinions about Eve needing to be in submission. They exist, but not here.

Paul does that which every person reading the Bible should: he uses deductive reasoning, logic, reading between the lines - whatever you may want to call it.

But the hoodlums of AFF will walk down dark alleys to discover something by the garbage cans, to throw at a fellow poster, hoping to crush their heads. Reading between the lines is gnostic philosophy, these hoodlums say. That would make Paul a gnostic by what is seen in this 1Ti2 passage. These hoodlums are either insincere, deceived, or lack cursory understanding of Biblical interpretive methods. Shame on you for calling someone a gnostic, they who interpret scripture in the same manner Paul does.

There is, in those who call themselves Christians, an evil. It causes those who hold it to defend to all lengths, against anything they see as contradicting their faith's concepts. And so, instead of standing up to defend truth and the right interpretation of the Word, they stand up to defend the doctrines of their faith if something else is seen to show it in a bad light. Lord Jesus, plz help!

Truth is of much more value than any church doctrine from earthly origin. Truth must be embraced as of more value than even the faith that is called Apostolic.