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Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238
In oneness theology God existed throughout eternity as one being, not two,
and not three. The Bible says that Jesus was the begotten Son. As a man,
Jesus was begotten and born in Bethlehem. As God he has existed throughout
eternity.
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Sir, You're using the 20th century meaning of begotten. The Greek meaning of this word is entirely something else. In the Greek the word is
monogenes and is derived from
mono meaning "alone," or "one of a kind' and genos meaning "class," or "kind. Hence,
ho monogenes huios simply means the "one and only Son." Or as the NIV says, "unique Son".
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Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238
Jesus existed with the Father as the eternal Word, which is an inseperable
part of God, not as a second person who existed with the Father throughout
eternity. Before the birth of Christ, the Son existed only in the mind of God and in the foreknowledge of God. When Christ was born the incarnation took
place. God came to us in the form of a man. Not God the Son incarnating into
a man, but Yahweh God, our everlasting Father. As Isaiah 9:6 says"Unto us a
child is born (begotten), unto us a Son is given, ...... and His name shall be
called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER,
The Prince of Peace. |
Not according to the bible. Not only was the Word with God, but was God. There isn't anywhere in the Bible that states that the Son existed in the mind of God. I realize you might have been taught that, but that simple isn't true. And with all due and respect, using
Isa 9:6 only hurts your doctrine, unless you believe that the Father is the Son.
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Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238
As for the writing of those whom we call the Early Church Fathers, it does
not really matter what they say, for their writings are not scripture or
divinely inspired. We also know they have been tampered with throughout
the centuries. Even Trinitarian theologians will acknowledge such.
As for Ignatius, it is thought by most theologians that his writings had a
modalist tone to them. He most certainly wrote in terms that Trinitarian
writers such as Tertullian would be most uncomfortable with.
Ignatius Epistle to the Ephesians 7. "There is one Physician who is
possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; Go existing in
flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first passible and then
impassible - even Jesus Christ our Lord. Tertullian later ridiculed the modalists
for this very teaching. |
The truth is my friend, the doctrine of Christ didn't stop with the Apostles. The truth was passed on through men that followed the Apostles, just like it is today. If you disagree with the teaching of these men who were disciples of the Apostles then there isn't much more I can say. Ignatius isn't the only church father, there are many.
The Epistle of Barnabas (A.D. 70)
And, further, my brethren if the Lord (Jesus) endured to suffer for our soul, he being the Lord of all the world, to whom God said at the foundation of the world, 'Let Us make man in our image. and after our likeness,' understand how it was that he endured to suffer at the hand of men. (Eusebius, history of the Church 3.4)