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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
1) It doesn't say they were baptized. Wouldn't there have been a record.
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It doesn't say they didn't have a propeller pop out of their rear ends and fly them on missionary journies either, why assume there would be a record? They were disciples. Even Jesus was baptized. What you are doing is an argument from silence
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2) Why didn't Jesus baptize his disciples? Maybe he did but it is not recorded and I can tell you if I was an author of a book and the Messiah baptized me I would be talking about it.
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it never says he never baptized anyone. Baptism was connected with discipleship. At sometime Jesus would have had to have baptized someone so they can in turn go out and baptize others. The verse you are refering too simple does not say he never baptized anyone. It simply shows that now that he has his Disciples (the 12 and perhaps others) THEY baptized for Him
Joh 4:1 Now when Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John
Joh 4:2 (although Jesus himself did not baptize, but only his disciples),
At this point it does not matter why he did not baptize anymore. He has disciples. He is the teacher. Just as Paul said, he did not come to baptize. Now that Jesus has his Disciples THEY can do the baptising for him while he concentrates on what the Teacher is supposed to do....teach. But still notice this verse? Make disciples...baptise...in order to be a disciple of Christ you had to be baptized either by him or one of his students using HIS authority.
Joh 3:22 After this Jesus and his disciples went into the Judean countryside, and he remained there with them and was baptizing.
Joh 3:23 John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because water was plentiful there, and people were coming and being baptized
Joh 3:24 (for John had not yet been put in prison).
Joh 3:25 Now a discussion arose between some of John's disciples and a Jew over purification.
Joh 3:26 And they came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, he who was with you across the Jordan, to whom you bore witness--look, he is baptizing, and all are going to him."
Joh 3:27 John answered, "A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.
Joh 3:28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, 'I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him.'
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3) Cornelius received the spirit because he heard the word, believed and his sins were forgiven. If your sins are not forgiven then you can't have been born again. By saying that you must be baptized in order to achieve forgiveness then you are saying that person is still not born again.
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I never said his sins were not forgiven. You are preaching to the choir. Aim your post as someone else. I simply pointed out a fallacy in your argument
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4) I don't know how to prove that we can't derive doctrine from a historical narrative except that is a common rule in bible interpretation. If AM preaches for an hour at BOTT and someone tells you what he preached about you can’t use that unless you have the entire transcript of the sermon because you would only be getting a summary of the entire message.
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If this is a common rule that we can't use historical narrative then you should also know the common reason for this to be true. The gospels are historical. Exodus is historical. Yet they all contain teaching.
BTW do you believe tongues is the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost?