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Old 05-07-2008, 01:31 PM
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Re: Hell Bound? Says who???

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall View Post
I'd say I think it's difficult to see him having been saved also, however only God is qualified to judge.

For example, men like Tyndale didn't stand against Acts 2:38, they just misunderstood it. Surely Tyndale believed in one God, however he was most likely taught the Trinitarian "mystery". Most of your average Trinitarians however appear to believe in Oneness as Bernard pointed out in his book The Oneness of God. Tyndale most likely believed in repentance from sin and that water baptism was necessary for salvation. However Tyndale was probably subject to the prevailing tradition of his day and baptized in traditional fashion. We don’t know what kind of depth his prayer life may have had. However we know that many men experienced deep “ecstasy” with ecstatic weeping, moaning, and unintelligible sobbing. Many of these “ecstatic” experiences were most likely Holy Ghost baptisms though they didn’t know it as we do or use the terms we use today (remember for most the Bible wasn’t something they could just read whenever they liked, nor were they allowed to interpret it without a priest’s guidance). So it could be argued that Tyndale did obey Acts 2:38…however, he obeyed it imperfectly due to tradition and the prevailing institutional church of his day.

If Tyndale was a man who merely counted himself to be a believer, being un-baptized in any fashion, and void of any spiritual baptism of the Holy Ghost…I’d say it’s nearly a sure bet he didn’t make it. However, if a man has repented of sin, been water baptized, and received the gift of the Holy Ghost (no matter how imperfect their understanding or implementation) I’d say they stand a chance at Heaven because God can have mercy on imperfect understanding as one seeks to obey the Word as best as they can.

Again I will present a passage of Scripture nobody has addressed….

Luke 12:47-48
And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

In the Judgment there is the possibility that men like Tyndale, who obeyed God’s Word as best as they understood it, will be judged to a lesser degree than those who had known the truth and rejected it.

Heaven isn’t a Spiritual Communistic place. There are degrees of reward and appointment in Heaven.

So with men like Tyndale I’d say it’s best not to judge, but rather allow God to judge the heart.

Thoughts?

Mat 5:6 Blessed [are] they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

I would disagree with you because of this verse. I do not believe that anyone can truly hunger after God and not come to the Apostolic truth we hold dear. Somewhere along the way, they stop hungering, or accept what is around them, or something else. No one was preaching the holy ghost when Parham left his students to find out what was the biblical pattern for the holy ghost. No one was preaching Jesus name baptism when the one man (can't remember his name) got up and started the "new issue". These men hungered for more of God, and God continued to fill them with revelation.
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