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Originally Posted by Praxeas

That is almost oxymoronic.
Objective
not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

Truth is factual and based on facts. It is NOT subjective or subject to the whims of personal feelings.

You can't deal in factual truth and NOT be objective but be subjective.

Really?
Prax, before you give me a lecture on what the word subjectivity means [especially as contrasted with objectivity], you might want to become aware of what it actually means.

You state that objective mean "based on the facts"... as if to imply that subjective means "not based on the facts. That is fallacious logic to say the least. Yes, objectivity means based solely on facts. But subjectivity does not necessarily mean the facts are not taken into account. Subjectivity can involve a person's personal interpretation of the facts, or personal observation of those facts. An example of this would be a boxing judge who scores the match based on his personal observation, even though the judge sitting beside him might look at the same facts in front of them, but judge it differently. On the contrary, a sport like track athletics would be administered objectively, since the runners win, lose, or place based on their time, a simple empirical measurement, rather than on the judgement (subjectivity) of individual judges. Thus, boxing, (like figure skating, synchronized swimming, and quite a few others) is a sport that can not be judged 100% "objectively" because it is always subject to personal interpretation of the judges.

Its the same with the 'game' of politics . We all have personal biases, which play into our interpretation of what we see. Total objectivity is desirable, but not always possible. Subjectivity is a natural part (and a big part), of the process.

Thus, your statement that "a person can not deal with factual truth and NOT be objective, but be subjective" totally flies in the face of the facts.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You want to be OBJECTIVE and decide Obama is not the right candidate based on FACTS. And there ARE facts as I said some REAL facts that are WORTH considering.

Same point as above. A computer can mechanically analyzing facts and figures, and that's all that's needed. But any individual making decisions regarding political candidates, personal interpretation will invariably come into play; thus.. subjectivity.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Just because I say this is a polemic and that the issue of the pin and the anthem are non issues does NOT make me for Obama or a liberal.

Ok... so you think the flag pin thing is a non-issue. Other people might think its an issue, which speaks regarding his judgment. If some people want to consider it an issue, why not let them decide for themselves if its a "non-issue" or not?