[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Actually, whether admitted or not ... forget all this stupid arguing about where the blood is applied.

To a "three-stepper", your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues.

If not ... why not?

Will any three stepper say you can go to heaven without speaking in tongues?

Well, if your sins are forgiven, remitted or whatever in the first or second step but you never take the third ...

Doesn't THAT mean all your sins are forgiven but you can't go to heaven because you haven't spoken in tongues?

To keep from being placed in a ridiculous position, a "three stepper" must believe your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues - that in itself being a ridiculous position.

Once again ... if not - why not?

That's a load of garbage. Thanks for telling me what I DON't believe. Any more strawman arguments you'd like to win?

*edit* Sorry, that was a little bit rude of me. I get annoyed when people tell me what I believe. I don't believe the baptism of the Holy Spirit has anything to do with sins being forgiven. I really think you're setting up a strawman argument. I've never heard anyone preach or teach that sins aren't forgiven until you've spoken in tongues.

Most "three steppers" will avoid being the judge of a person's eternal destination. So you may not get many takers, except bro Elpey, who will come right out and say someone is going to hell if they don't speak in tongues. I believe the only sign that is given for a believer to know he/she has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit (ie: the Spirit of Christ) is speaking in tongues. We don't seek to speak in tongues but for Jesus to fill us with the Holy Spirit...tongues just lets us know when it has happened. Tongues are not a be all and end all in and of itself.

But since you were in the UPC for a number of years, I would hope you know what tongues are a sign of....the infilling of the Spirit and without the Spirit of Christ Rom 8:9-11 you are none of his nor are we part of the body of Christ. 1 Cor 12:13 If you are calling this a ridiculous position then I suggest you are calling the God's plan to regenerate mankind ridiculous as well.