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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Here is something to consider. It is actually the key to understanding. All the places where the dead appear to be alive you are looking at either visions (which need interpretation) or parables.
But whenever plain doctrine is being taught the dead are WAITING RESURRECTION.
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What about Samuel called upon by the witch of Endor? The Bible did not say it was a fake Samuel, but an actual Samuel. We simply read the bible comment on it and say it was Samuel!
1 Samuel 28:12 KJV And when
the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
Did the Bible lie to us?
And what About Moses and Elijah in Matt 17? VISION in the KJV is translated as simply what was seen in modern language versions. So it is not a vision as John saw visions iN Revelation.
All in all PAUL SAID ABSENCE FROM THE BODY WAS POSSIBLE. You have said nothing yet that is convincing about that statement by Paul, and even denied you believed it was a wishful fantasy although you said Paul only WILLED that to occur, implying it could not actually occur. That one verse disproves your entire hypothesis.