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Originally Posted by Aquila
There's a fundamental misunderstanding of the Greek in this argument. The term remission is:
859 // afesiv // aphesis // af'-es-is //
from 863 ; TDNT - 1:50
9,88; n f
AV - remission 9, forgiveness 6, deliverance 1, liberty 1; 17
1) release from bondage or imprisonment
2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they
had never been committed), remission of the penalty It's the same word in Ephesians 1:7,
Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
If you understand the Greek, the baptismal clause is passive, indicating that it is what is expected based upon the remission of sins, not necessarily to gain the remission of sins. In other words, one's sins are forgiven (remitted) upon repentance, however, they are commanded to be water baptized as an act of obedience. That would mean that if one is lost over baptism it is on the grounds of disobedience, not because their sins were never remitted.
From this point forward, I'll have to post on lighter subjects. I'm about half way through a glass of brandy. lol |
While I am the biggest proponent of
2 Tim 2:15 Do not lose sight that Greek
language rules and it's 'constructions' are nowhere mentioned in the bible as
"Ordained of God"...Jesus said "the Words I speak are Spirit and Life" not reinterpreted by and through prepositions,verbs, adjectives and other man-made devices that try to disect and slant for personal agendas. God confounded the languages at Babel to remind man who thought to reach heaven with their ingenuity and craft, No matter how you try to make "your mortar" the Word still says, "And be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"
1Peter 3:20-21 Eight souls were saved by water"... "whereby Baptism doth also saves us,"
The waters of the flood destroyed sinful man on the earth, the earth was burried for 150 days
Gen 8:3 Gods math showing 3x50 means 3=divine completness and 50=Jubillee/resurection. Eight souls were saved by the 'water' remitting the sin! They were now seperated from the sinful world that reaped the wages of sin...death! When the dove returned with the olive branch, this signified being born of Spirit! They were *(in type) born of water and Spirit! And after Noah worshiped by burnt offering, God made the Noahic Covenent. Our worship and sacrafice is accepted only after our repentance, baptism and Holy Ghost infilling is the "3x50 Spirit,water and blood" witness on earth" that Agree as One"
1John 5:8 We can not enter into the New Covenant unless "for the remission of sins" is done in Jesus Name, by "water!" Not passive or active towers of "Babel."