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Old 01-22-2009, 01:31 PM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar View Post
If you guys are going to interpret Acts 2:38 so literally in order to believe that Baptism is for remission of sin then why not believe that communion is also needed in order to obtain remission of sins?
Why are you comparing two totally different experiences? Baptism is for (Gk. eis, into) remission of sins.... communion is done in memorial of Christs sacrifice. Does non sequitor apply here? lol....

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Now we have folks saying that we have to repent, be baptized, and then receive the Holy Ghost in order to OBTAIN remission. Looks to me like more and more is being added to obtain remission.
No man can enter in unless he is born again, of the water and Spirit.... if a persaon has "remission", but has not been born again, what good is their "remission"? I simply contend that the full conversion of water and Spirit is where remission is experienced. Repentance, and Baptism most directly affect remission of sins in a believers life, but full conversion is necessary to have salvation/remission of sins... this is established in several references.

Consider:

John 3:5
Except a man be born of water, and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (pretty self explainatory, water and spirit)

1 Cor 6:11
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus (water baptism), and by the Spirit of our God (Spirit baptism).

Heb 10:22
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience (Spirit), and our bodies washed with pure water (water).

Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration (water), and renewing of the Holy Ghost (Spirit);

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It was Jesus Christ who paid for our remission of sins on the Cross and my remission was obtained at that time.
The price was paid on calvary, but you don't participate in the benefits of what was obtained at calvary until you have been converted and are "in Christ"... "for as many of you as have been baptized unto Christ, have put on Christ"... Gal 3:27
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