[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

That was not the question... you can't say, well there are so many so we cant agree... I am simply asking if full water submersion with the invocation of some name is required for salvation.

This isn't a debate about OT baptisms -- not ritual washings or cleanings.

I think you know what I am asking, just answer what you believe and explain why.

I think Sam's point is that just by asking for a simple answer doesn't mean there is one. Thus the rehashing. The long drawn out threads are long and drawn out for a reason.

For the record, I believe that I don't know. I certainly wouldn't want to risk not being baptized. How's that?