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Originally Posted by BobDylan

I didn't notice the statement Dan is up in arms about. Absolutely the love grace and mercy of God are involved in ushering an individual into a place where they can choose to obey him... However, the saving grace of God, as opposed to general grace, is available only "through faith", which is obedience. Our choice to obey in response to the message of the gospel is the one thing that invites God's saving grace into our lives. He stands at the door and
knocks... Unless and individual opens the door, he will not come in... "we are saved by grace, through faith...." No faith, no grace....

God's grace is involved in every step of the way from leading us to repentance to our glorification. I'm not a Calvinist but I do believe that no one can come to Christ except the Father draw him. Therefore God makes the first move in our salvation, not only because He became man and died for our sins but He also because of his goodness and grace draws every man to himself.

You can read again what Dan quoted LS as saying below in quote box.

"The Love of God, does not save you.

I'm sorry if that disturbs your theology

The love of God and mercy does not save you ....

obedience to the DOCTRINE is what saves you!"

You simply cannot take the love and mercy of God out of the salvation equation.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: