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Originally Posted by brad2723

I would suggest that the majority of our doctrines are based on the emotional appeals and personal testimonies of Jesus, His disciples and Apostles.

Perhaps you do not know what I mean by emotional appeal....You can tell us all you want that you God made you gay and make all sort of feel good arguments or arguments that attempt to make is emotionally feel pity for you or feel guilt...that does not make it God's Truth. God's truth is based on what the bible says. It is not based on what you say, unless you can quote the word. It is not based on stories or anecdotes from days gone by of your times in the UPC. It is not based on how many years you have been out. Im not trying to be crude here, I am setting a ground work for discussion. You mentioned earlier when someone said spirit of homosexuality and insisted all such discussions be biblically based. This is my point, stories and personal histories and appeals to our emotions on YOUR part are irrelevant in a discussion that seeks to determine what the bible says or does not say on a topic. Jesus taugt as an authority from God. The Apostles taught as they were authorized and taught by Jesus...you and I then quote them.

that is what I mean by emotional appeal. It's a logical fallacy

Emotion can never be removed from the human equation, though I was not using emotion to elicit any sort of sympathy from the readers here. I only wanted those writing and responding to understand who they were responding to. It's easy for humans to paint everyone we disagree with using the same paint brush. Not all homosexuals are like those presented in the media. I felt it was necessary for everyone to understand a little bit of my testimony in order to understand me. How can we become all things to all men if we claim knowing them is not important?

I understood that, but we need to set a foundation for discussion, which is also why we have been discussing the law and how relevant it can be

Also, we need to remember that pedophilia, adultery, rape, incest, etc. are directed within the sexual orientation of the one committing the act. Homosexual pedophiles molest children of their same sex while heterosexual pedophiles molest children of their opposite sex. Homosexual adulators commit adultery with individuals of their same sex while heterosexual adulators commit adultery with individuals of their opposite sex. Sexual orientation is most definitely a natural inclination and varies from person to person. Any abusive or illegal behavior which takes place within that person’s orientation is a completely different issue altogether.

I was not trying to make an argument about pedophiles or adultery etc etc...if you think that you must have missed my point then. Sin is sin because of what the bible says on it. You can speculate as to why God allows you to be that way, but as I stated already....we can all speculate as to why we are the way we are....what is important is what the bible says and what we will do to be inline with what it says in thinking and actions

I do not know how many homosexuals you actually know and have spoken with but I can tell you with absolute certainty that most homosexuals do not claim to be bisexual.

Well, what I mean was, most people practicing homosexual lifestyles that I have known have either admitted to me that do or have had attractions to the opposite sex and or have had relations with the opposite sex.

Besides the people that were out and out homosexuals and are not or no longer the church I am in I can also think of those that have had homosexual encounters and relationships and have admitted to having struggles while single with same sex attractions or temptations, but are in committed relationships with members of the opposite sex