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Originally Posted by mfblume
This meant the angles fell. I see nothing that connect that to a fall in Genesis 6. It was pre-Adamic. Their chains of darkness are the inability to ever be recovered. They are the demon spirits that we deal with. |
Ever notice that with Preterism bound doesn't mean bound?
The text states that these are both "in hell" and in "chains of darkness". These are not roaming free today. Plain reading of the text. If you're going to "spiritualize" the text... at least spiritualize that which is obviously symbolic. Plain didactic teaching should be read literally. Else anything can mean anything that the supposed "teacher" desires it. It becomes a "make up your own religion" game. Here are the verses in the NT.
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
It should also be noted that the NT references verses that are found in the ancient Book of Enoch. Please note...the Book of Enoch emphatically describes the angelic sin as being cohabitation with human women among a group of fallen angels.
When spiritualizing all texts, especially those meant to be understood literally one can make the Bible say anything. For example, earlier today I was talking to a friend who believes that Jesus didn't die at the crucifixion and actually sired children by his wife Mary. He gave me a book titled "Bloodline of the Holy Grail". In the book when Mary is visited by the "angel of the LORD" and told that she was going to concieve, the author proposes that the "angel of the LORD" is an idiom speaking of the High Priest, not an actual angel. The problem is...the text isn't written in apocalyptic symbolism that would lend itself to an interpretation outside of it being a literal depiction of what happened.
Again... we can make it all up as we go saying, "The Bible doesn't mean such and such...it really means...." Or we can just BELIEVE THE BIBLE.
Preterism would have us believe that what was commonly believed among those of the first century who spoke the language in question was error until Preterism arrived. Josephus and others indicate clearly that the common opinion of antiquity was that these were the angels that sinned in
Genesis 6. Preterism is a new kid on the block compared to this position.