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Not sure the usage (not grammar) of multiple words somehow doesn't still convey judgment. Why not find other scripture to help unlock this one, Praxeas ... this has the classic makings of a WORD STUDY FALLACY ... http://www.studydesk.org/Hermeneutic...0Fallacies.htm
In Luke 17, where there are parallel statements made by Christ, about people being "taken" ... using airo and lambano again ... Still, it most definitely indicates a moment and taking in judgment ...
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The word for taken just can't mean judgment. Look at how the word is used...first it's definition
to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation);
Mat 1:20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit
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Mat 1:24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife,
The difference is, in the flood the group are taken to be with the Lord (relationship), they are destroyed from off the planet
In Noah's flood there are 2 groups, those that are taken into the Ark and those left behind to be judged.
but as I pointed out, the context is the angels reaping the earth and taking away (and by implication,leaving others behind) the elect
Luke 17 seems to be about the coming of the Son of man
Luk 17:20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed,
Luk 17:21nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."
Luk 17:22 And he said to the disciples, "The days are coming when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.
Luk 17:23And they will say to you, 'Look, there!' or 'Look, here!' Do not go out or follow them.
Luk 17:24For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day.
Luk 17:25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Luk 17:26Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
Luk 17:27They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot--they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building,
Luk 17:29but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all--
Luk 17:30so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
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Some translations use the word "carcass" for body in verse 37. Doesn't sound like heaven ... and why continually make comparisons to the other judgments other than Noah ... like Lot's wife ... and Sodom and Gomorrah???
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I don't think he was comparing angels to vultures particularly since the other verse says "The Elect"
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It would appear the elect are gathered to see him mete out judgment ... which happens subsequently.
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Then, like Noah, The Elect are removed from the judgment somehow.
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The alternative is to force an interpretation ...
Context here is most definitely meting of judgment ... not "the rapture". Adding biblical witness to the Matthew 24 account ... and credence to Raven's interpretation.
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The context shows two classes, those that are judged and those that are not.
Noah's account shows two classes. Those that are without and those that are gathered within.